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    how smart is HP/Palm? they are going to release their new Pre 2 on Vzn that is already Android heavy and getting more and more Androids.

    Then they will be getting the Windows 7 phone and come Jan they will be getting the iPhone.

    Which phone do you think Vzn is going to push? if the Pre 2 comes out in Nov. how many people are going to just wait till Jan for the iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Amos View Post
    how smart is HP/Palm? they are going to release their new Pre 2 on Vzn that is already Android heavy and getting more and more Androids.

    Then they will be getting the Windows 7 phone and come Jan they will be getting the iPhone.

    Which phone do you think Vzn is going to push? if the Pre 2 comes out in Nov. how many people are going to just wait till Jan for the iPhone.
    It all depends on the price point and feature set this phone is going to have. If it's just a pre+ with a faster proc and glass screen then this had better be free on contract, come with a t/s charger and still include the free mobile hotspot, with all of that they may still be able to push quite a few phones with enough advertising.

    Now if this phone has all of that plus some amazing secret sauce we still don't know about then it'll look even more compelling compared to the other phones.

    Either way advertising is going to be key to the success of this device.
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    I think marketing and price will have a big factor on wheather or not the pre 2 sells... Lots of good commercials showing off how web os is ahead and has great multitasking features... And how 2.0 makes it all better along w a price of 150 or less I think it'll draw in alot of 1st time smartphone buyers that hp is looking for... IMO this is a great way to get ppl to try web os once they do I think they'll stick @ and upgrade later on to the nxt great web os device .... But Alot of smartphone users won't leave their droids for a smaller pre 2 and will chose to stay w the droid or move to iphone... Maybe the hp "super phone" if there is one will be able to compete w the ip4 once it's released
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    I just think it's going to be funny to watch people continue to wait for the mythical iPhone that will never come (at least not in January 2011). It's like people don't understand that a 5-year exclusivity agreement with AT&T that started in 2007 would end, well, five years later in 2012. What a crazy prospect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbmatt View Post
    I just think it's going to be funny to watch people continue to wait for the mythical iPhone that will never come (at least not in January 2011). It's like people don't understand that a 5-year exclusivity agreement with AT&T that started in 2007 would end, well, five years later in 2012. What a crazy prospect...
    Stop with your lies and shenanigans. We all know that contracts are made to be broken and that apple is looking to redesign their entire antenna system and mobile stack for cdma as a mlk device to sell on only 1 network on the entire planet. It makes total sense, also the white iphone 4 is going to be exclusive to verizon to just rub it in more that apple ditched att
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    you can already get a Pre + for free on Vzn. based on the specs we have heard the only difference is a flat (possibly glass) screen. it is a step up for Sprint Pre users but not Vzn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Amos View Post
    you can already get a Pre + for free on Vzn. based on the specs we have heard the only difference is a flat (possibly glass) screen. it is a step up for Sprint Pre users but not Vzn
    And the proc. We don't know anything about screen res and camera yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    I find it hard to believe that Verizon would sell iPads out of their retail outlets this holiday season if they were't planning on carrying the iPhone very soon. I mean, they have a Motorola tablet coming, too. Why would they want to put iOS devices in the hands of their customers?
    To cover all their bases and give customers the illusion of choice

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    why wouldn't vzw carry the pre 2?
    they can offer their customers more choices, just so they can compete with att, which has the largest selection of phones (nokia, blackberry, winpho7, iphone, android, and webOS).

    they will target it to certain customers. (hopefully not just moms)

    hp probably has a lot of pull behind the scenes.

    and besides droid phones, vzw doesn't have other phones to offer customers for the holiday season. If the iphone comes, it will be in jan or later. They won't have any winpho7 phones, and there are no great blackberries coming to vzw this yr.

    don't get me wrong, vzw will not push this phone strongly, and it won't sell all that great...but, it will sell fairly well during the holiday season...all vzw cares about in the end is lockin up people into 2 yr data contracts.

    they can then offer this phone as part of their prepaid plans when the iphone and other phones come out later.

    so I don't think vzw will have much to lose by carrying the pre 2, and can only win with it, though with a small margin of success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDsmartphone View Post
    why wouldn't vzw carry the pre 2?
    they can offer their customers more choices, just so they can compete with att, which has the largest selection of phones (nokia, blackberry, winpho7, iphone, android, and webOS).

    they will target it to certain customers. (hopefully not just moms)

    hp probably has a lot of pull behind the scenes.

    and besides droid phones, vzw doesn't have other phones to offer customers for the holiday season. If the iphone comes, it will be in jan or later. They won't have any winpho7 phones, and there are no great blackberries coming to vzw this yr.

    don't get me wrong, vzw will not push this phone strongly, and it won't sell all that great...but, it will sell fairly well during the holiday season...all vzw cares about in the end is lockin up people into 2 yr data contracts.

    they can then offer this phone as part of their prepaid plans when the iphone and other phones come out later.

    so I don't think vzw will have much to lose by carrying the pre 2, and can only win with it, though with a small margin of success.
    Kinda seems like verizon tried to kill the pre+ and pixi+ at original launch. Seems like they had a contractual obligation to carry the phone and advertise it but didn't really want to so did a half assed job. Who's to say they won't do that again?
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    they probably will, but during the holidays it's easier to advertise and people are bigger spenders.

    if palm or hp can advertise more effectivly with vzw, for the holidays, they will sell enough devices to breakthru. See my other points above. Overall, vzw will not lose by selling the pre 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    I think Palm is snake-bit as far as Verizon is concerned. A year ago there was all sorts of anticipation around here that getting the Pre on the largest carrier in the nation would ramp up sales for Palm in a big way. Then the Droid came around and the Pre was completely overshadowed. That, more than anything else got the ball rolling for Palm to be sold off to the highest bidder.

    Now the Pre 2 is coming out just as Verizon is on the cusp of getting the iPhone. Although the Verizon iPhone may not arrive until 2011, the anticipation has already begun with only the formal announcement left.
    Yeah but how many times have we seen the anticipation swell for verizon iphone just to never come to any fruition. Best thing that verizon is going to get iphone wise next year imho is an announcement that they will have a LTE phone available for 2012. I just can't see why apple would devote resources to getting the iphone CDMA compatible to use in 1 market for only 1 year. Not to mention the att exclusivity contract that att and apple have until 2012. It just doesn't make sense to break a contract a year early pay fines out the *** for the breach of contract not to mention possible legal battles to get a phone on a network that is using what is essentially a dead standard. To my knowledge iOS doesn't even have a CDMA stack built into it so they would have to add that in at a kernel level and all this for one carrier that only covers one world market. Sure they are the biggest carrier in that market but financially idk if that really makes sense escpecially considering that we would be looking at a 6 month old device getting launched onto a carrier that is already fiercly competitive at the high end. At most they would maybe sell 1 million units if they are launching Q1 and anything later than Q1 most customers would have the good sense to just wait till June when a new shinier faster iphone will be launched anyways.

    The verizon iphone rumor for early 2011 just doesn't make any sense what so ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    A Verizon LTE iPhone would still have to have CMDA capability for all the areas that won't have LTE coverage for years. CDMA will continue to be used for many years to come. Apple doesn't differentiate its devices on specs like that. 90% of its customers will not care what network it's on - just that it's an iPhone on Verizon.

    I'm pretty sure Apple and Verizon are counting on selling well more than a million iPhones per month. On the Engadget Podcast yesterday afternoon they said that an announcement of a Verizon iPhone would be like dropping a nuclear bomb on the smartphone market.
    Damnit i'm a month beind on my podcasts i need to get caught up on that.
    If it happens that would suck for anything that gets released on big red for the next year and a half.

    Don't forget that vzw is pushing hard w/ LTE i think that in a year and a half they will have all of their major markets and most of their secondary markets w/ LTE, as a matter of fact i'm going to wager that a year after launching LTE they will probably have better coverage than sprint with wimax and T-mo with HSPA+ (yes i know it's not 4g but they market it like it is)
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    people are missing the point.
    people that want the iphone on vzw, will wait it out until it comes.
    people that want a droid variant on vzw, will go get it or wait for next months droid.
    phones based on those OS's wil be top sellers on vzw.

    but there are many people that DON't want an iphone or droid whatever. Look around, people still buy blackberries and feature phones. This is where palm should slide in. Vzw and palm can def make a profit in this slot, if they push the webOS platform the right way. They don't need to be a top seller. It's good for a carrier to provide choices to their customers, and the pre 2 should suffice.

    hp of course has greater ambitions, but that effort will come to fruition sometime next year, and beyond. It's important for hp to release the pre2 now, and given the lack of other phones being offered by vzw this holiday season, I see some potential to the pre 2 for this year.

    next yr the iphone will sell millions on vzw. It will then be up to hp to remain relevant.

    I am one of those customers that will stick around with palm, because I like palm and I like to be different. I know there are plenty like me.
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    To answer the OP's original question, perhaps they shouldn't try to sell phones at all. After all, it's clearly no use. Seriously, we've already seen the certification for the other variants of the phone. We are hearing rumors that AT&T and Sprint will get the device soon. Let's be honest, it's going to launch on all three major carriers here. Whether they do it all at once, or staggered by a couple months, who knows, though I think it's coming to all three in one shot.

    So, to answer the question, if HP/Palm does indeed launch on all three this year, and then brings more phones and the PalmPad at CES, then, yes, they are smart.
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    Has the iphone for verizon next year been confirmed and I just miss it or something?
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    HP and Palm are smart enough to know that 1) things can't happen overnight and 2) the carriers still have a great deal of say in what and when devices are launched on their networks. I'm smart enough to know that when a given device launches, by itself, says nothing about how smart HP and Palm are. It might just be that whatever happens, it's because they're geniuses.

    This is just another way of saying that we have absolutely no idea of everything that's happening behind the scenes, and so we don't have nearly enough information to accurately judge the decisions that HP and Palm are making.
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    Even though the carriers have most of the power look again to the galaxy s phones that are near identical to each other (yes there are some carrier specific tweaks to each and the epic has a keyboard) and are still a runaway success despite no carrier advertising

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    Sprint is also all android now. Not that they dont carry other os but sprint is as android as verizon. There top phones are all android. Evo.epic. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaccPalm View Post
    Sprint is also all android now. Not that they dont carry other os but sprint is as android as verizon. There top phones are all android. Evo.epic. etc.
    Not really . I will agree that two of the best smartphones they have are android based but Palm PRE is still being sold and so is Touch Pro 2 with winmobile. The best (IMHO) Windows 7 phone is also coming to Sprint soon. Sprint can't afford to be platform specific they are in the 3rd position. They will try to get as many phones as possible on as many different OSes as possible to make sure people won't disregard them when it is time to switch phones/providers.

    Chances of Sprint spending advertising dollars on WebOS phone is higher as Palm PRE is still one of their best selling phones even though Verizon and ATT have a better version of the phone and webOS was version ONE point O when it was released on Sprint. It is impressive for a device with 3.7 average rating.

    PRE 2 with webOS 2.0 is definitely going to be a better phone with a much better consumer experience and thus Sprint should have no trouble getting behind it. ATT and Verizon did not put advertising dollars behind Palm last time as they already had their flagship devices (iphone and Droid). They were also not going to put money over a device with 1.0 OS. This is normal as MS is going to have to do the heavy lifting for Windows Phone 7 (Unless att loses exclusivity and decides to start pushing Win Phone 7 which I don't believe is likely to happen, they might go Android instead).
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