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    Where is the Next Great Smartphone from Palm and HP?
    By Ryan Kim Sep. 24, 2010, 4:00pm

    Where is the Next Great Smartphone from Palm and HP?: Tech News «

    It’s been about three months since HP finalized its $1.2 billion acquisition of Palm, and there’s obviously some digesting and transitioning going on.

    But the growing question is: When are we going to see some new webOS handset hardware from HP and Palm?

    HP executives originally talked about doubling down on webOS and pushing hard on a variety of devices that can run the operating system. We then heard some waffling back and forth from ousted HP CEO Mark Hurd on the company’s commitment to webOS smartphones. Most recently, Rahul Sood, CTO of HP’s gaming business pleaded for patience in a blog post, saying new webOS devices with new form factors are on the way “over the next 12 months.”

    But the fact is, we haven’t seen any new hardware since the beginning of the year; we’re now closing in on the holidays with nothing in sight; and the market is racing ahead with a slew of competing devices. Surely Palm had something in the works before the merger, no? What’s taking so long?

    The most concrete statement recently on hardware from HP has been about a webOS tablet coming out in early 2011 and webOS working its way into printers. However, aside from Sood’s remarks, there’s little insight into how seriously HP plans to take its webOS smartphone business.

    HP runs the risk of making webOS irrelevant if it doesn’t continue to build new smartphone hardware and fast. To compete in the smartphone market, you need to build a developer community and an app market around your platform, and that needs to start with smartphones. Without that, it’s going to be hard to build success for any other webOS device, be it a slate, printer or something else.

    Palm, if you recall, released the Pre in June of last year to good reviews but modest sales. It followed up with the simpler Pixi in November. A Pre Plus and the Pixi Plus, two updates with some better internal specs, rolled out in January. For the most part, that’s been it, and to be honest, the Plus versions were upgrades, not noticeably new hardware. It’s now been about 16 months since the first launch of the flagship Palm Pre.

    This might have worked in the early days of smartphones, but this is a hyper-competitive market where Apple, RIM and Google are jockeying for position armed with fresh devices, including the iPhone 4 and the BlackBerry Torch. Google’s Android in particular is being packed into one superphone after another at an incredible pace. Samsung is in the process of releasing four Android handsets on all four major carriers. HTC and Motorola have been churning out high-end Android devices almost monthly. This isn’t to mention Microsoft’s coming push with Windows Phone 7.

    This market is moving so fast that webOS can’t rely on a handful of aging smartphones; it needs to shine on new devices. Yes, there’s a webOS 2.0 update coming soon, but developers are already cooling to the charms of webOS, despite its great features. Appcelerator’s June developer survey has found that interest in webOS (13 percent) still trails (PDF) far behind Apple (90 percent) and Android (81 percent) and every other platform, including Windows Phone 7 and Symbian.

    If you can’t get people to buy the handsets, no one’s going to write for the platform. Right now, Palm’s market share is just under 5 percent, according to comScore It’s a numbers game, and Palm/HP doesn’t seem to be in it.

    Now, HP and Palm could still roll out something really visionary for next year. I’m not saying the handset business is doomed. And to be honest, between the CEO turmoil and the integration work, there’s a lot on HP’s plate. It hasn’t helped that there’s been an exodus of key executives, including Peter Skilling, the designer of the Palm Pre.

    But they still have some good executive talent including Palm’s CEO Jon Rubinstein. HP’s head of the Personal Systems Group Todd Bradley was also the former CEO of Palm and certainly knows his way around handsets. Palm should be able to put out something substantial in a timely manner.

    Palm, if you recall, was a leader in the smart phone space before the iPhone came along. But lackluster and slow updates, both hardware and software-wise, left the company trailing the market even before the iPhone launched. The hope was that webOS represented a new turning point for Palm. But if it doesn’t ramp up quickly, Palm, even with the resources of HP, could continue the same slide it has been on for half a decade.
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    I agree with much of what the article is saying. I think the one thing that is omitted as a factor is: what would happen if Palm/HP rushed a device that has sub-standard hardware? Sales people are already hesitant to push a webOS device because of the hardware problems of the Pre. If Palm/HP doesn't put out a very high quality device it could be the end of the line for webOS phones.

    I think those of us who have followed webOS for close to two years now, are wondering what happened to the c40? Wasn't Palm already working on the successor phone way before the talk of mergers began? Didn't HP state that they would let Palm follow the roadmap they had already put forth? Could it be that with the onslaught of Android phones they needed to scrap their original successor phone and go back to the drawing board? Maybe HP saw what was going on in the smartphone market and decided after the merger went through that whatever it was that Palm had in store was not aggressive enough to keep the Palm division from sliding further off the charts?

    I guess what I would like to hear from HP/Palm is are they still working on the successor Palm had been working on originally or did they decide to change course due to where the market is heading? If they are still on the original concept why is it taking them so long to get to market with this device?
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    Great article...was reluctant at first to read the article expecting whining (whether valid or not). I also must agree with what zulfaqar621 mentioned...and that is that it is indeed better for Palm to make sure that the next device is competitive and a stellar device. As much as it kills us all waiting I do know in the long run a better product is the right formula for success vs. a device that has been rushed out...
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    great article, yes the next smart phone from palm hp needs to be great. But they can't have it both ways and just take their sweet time either.
    Last edited by m3grady2; 09/29/2010 at 09:25 PM.
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    I think there are a few elements not covered by this article, along with the very good point made by zulfaqar621.

    1) Timing matters: should HP release a phone as soon as it's ready, or time the release for maximum impact?

    2) Fast market growth means that anybody with a good product and a strong pitch can enter and thrive, even if they start at 0%. HP already has 5%.

    My conclusion is that HP can thrive whether or not a release is imminent. The only road block would be if the brand is so tarnished (and widely viewed as such) that they can't overcome this reputation. I don't believe that is the case.
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    What I think is, HP/Palm are working on multiple devices in multiple form factors. They will kick off the next year at CES by unveiling a few, hinting at more, and releasing one device on the spot. Then every month or so next year a new device will be rolled out, keeping HP/Palm in the headlines, thus generating buzz and showing a growing market potential to attract developers.
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    I believe that whatever the new device is, will be pushed and advertised heavily, and will be done so as a new product line under HP/ Palm. It will still cater to the exisiting palm and webOS community, however to truly get a strong following with new consumers, it must be heavily advertised, and I think it needs to be first associated with HP,which is really the key factor in all of this. HP is a huge company, capable of competing with Apple and Google, Palm is not. I think they are taking the time to not only put together solid hardware, and UI upgrades,but to totally revamp the system that it can be sold as something new and great, as opposed to a bandaid to what Palm already had. On top of this they have to organize a massive campaign, as well as deals with carriers, and, convince the top 3 to push their new devices.
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    I am just worry about one thing, we are just speculating new Pre2, yet we don't have any spy shot or inside info or some rumor from tech sites. This is the issue, Palm and HP, they are not known as to keep things this secret. I can only assume one thing, they don't have any thing even the design yet. We are atleast 12 months away from announcement from HP for new product. I really think HP is being very careful about the smartphone market. Perhaps they want to see how people react to their future webOS tablet to see if they can compete webOS smartphone, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by passlogix View Post
    I am just worry about one thing, we are just speculating new Pre2, yet we don't have any spy shot or inside info or some rumor from tech sites. This is the issue, Palm and HP, they are not known as to keep things this secret. I can only assume one thing, they don't have any thing even the design yet. We are atleast 12 months away from announcement from HP for new product. I really think HP is being very careful about the smartphone market. Perhaps they want to see how people react to their future webOS tablet to see if they can compete webOS smartphone, who knows.

    You are correct, people should not expect any new phone any time soon, Sood said it "Not Soon". Why people do not get this is beyond me. You hear people on these forums talking about new phones in Oct or Nov! It aint gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htabbach View Post
    You are correct, people should not expect any new phone any time soon, Sood said it "Not Soon". Why people do not get this is beyond me. You hear people on these forums talking about new phones in Oct or Nov! It aint gonna happen.
    if they do not release something by early next year palm will be dead and hold no market share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htabbach View Post
    Sood said it "Not Soon". Why people do not get this is beyond me. You hear people on these forums talking about new phones in Oct or Nov! It aint gonna happen.
    Then in his blog, he explained what he meant since EVERYONE was asking if an announcement was imminent. Here is exactly what he said:

    "Yesterday was a little rough for me because people kept asking when the next webOS product announcement would be. Someone asked me if there would be an announcement next week, and I said "... don't expect anything soon, please stop asking ‘when’ --- I would rather be straight with you. these things take time...." I was responding to a question about the immediate future, but many of my Twitter followers didn’t see the full context."

    He doesn't define what soon is other than we know it wasn't going to be the next week or the "immediate future." I don't know when the next release or announcement of release will be, but your comment seems just as big a guess as the guy asking if it would be the next week. He wanted guys off his back--"Please stop asking 'when'."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixxxer1022 View Post
    if they do not release something by early next year palm will be dead and hold no market share.
    Besides a VERY small/ loyal online community, PALM is already dead in most people's mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixxxer1022 View Post
    if they do not release something by early next year palm will be dead and hold no market share.
    Wrong! another Sood comment was "HP can gain mindshare very quickly, the HP PRPRPR $machine$ $is$ $a$ $beast$&$quot$;. $HP$ $does$ $not$ $care$ $much$ $about$ $the$ $current$ $user$ $base$ $of$ $webOS$ $because$ $it$ $is$ $almost$ $none$. $They$ $are$ $focusing$ $on$ $making$ $a$ $big$ $splash$ $to$ $gain$ $mindshare$ $and$ $re$-$introduce$ $webOS$ $all$ $over$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5 View Post
    Then in his blog, he explained what he meant since EVERYONE was asking if an announcement was imminent. Here is exactly what he said:

    "Yesterday was a little rough for me because people kept asking when the next webOS product announcement would be. Someone asked me if there would be an announcement next week, and I said "... don't expect anything soon, please stop asking ‘when’ --- I would rather be straight with you. these things take time...." I was responding to a question about the immediate future, but many of my Twitter followers didn’t see the full context."

    He doesn't define what soon is other than we know it wasn't going to be the next week or the "immediate future." I don't know when the next release or announcement of release will be, but your comment seems just as big a guess as the guy asking if it would be the next week. He wanted guys off his back--"Please stop asking 'when'."
    precisely. The individual asked specifically if it was going to be release that following week.. and his response was what it was.. then it was blown out of proportion because apparently when one person is childish and freaks out, so does everyone else over a twitter response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5 View Post
    Then in his blog, he explained what he meant since EVERYONE was asking if an announcement was imminent. Here is exactly what he said:

    "Yesterday was a little rough for me because people kept asking when the next webOS product announcement would be. Someone asked me if there would be an announcement next week, and I said "... don't expect anything soon, please stop asking ‘when’ --- I would rather be straight with you. these things take time...." I was responding to a question about the immediate future, but many of my Twitter followers didn’t see the full context."

    He doesn't define what soon is other than we know it wasn't going to be the next week or the "immediate future." I don't know when the next release or announcement of release will be, but your comment seems just as big a guess as the guy asking if it would be the next week. He wanted guys off his back--"Please stop asking 'when'."
    Yes, my comment is a guess but at least it is based on what I am observing and what HP execs are hinting. Do you really think that if HP is this close to release anything we wouldn't have seen or hear something about now? I don't think so especially with WM 7 coming out soon.
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    Here's to hoping for some good news on new hardware soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5 View Post
    Then in his blog, he explained what he meant since EVERYONE was asking if an announcement was imminent. Here is exactly what he said:

    "Yesterday was a little rough for me because people kept asking when the next webOS product announcement would be. Someone asked me if there would be an announcement next week, and I said "... don't expect anything soon, please stop asking ‘when’ --- I would rather be straight with you. these things take time...." I was responding to a question about the immediate future, but many of my Twitter followers didn’t see the full context."

    He doesn't define what soon is other than we know it wasn't going to be the next week or the "immediate future." I don't know when the next release or announcement of release will be, but your comment seems just as big a guess as the guy asking if it would be the next week. He wanted guys off his back--"Please stop asking 'when'."


    Is it just me, or does the phrase "not soon" seemingly evoke a similar reaction on the boards as to yelling "FIRE" in a theater?
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    well we got a certification today, guess the end of the month is plausible now
    Palm prē-ist.
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    If this helped you hit thanks.

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