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    Dual-core smartphones on the horizon

    Any chance we get this chip in the next webOS device:

    "Qualcomm said devices with the MSM8660, which runs at 1.2GHz, are expected by the first quarter of next year, and potentially as early as the end of this year."

    I can't imagine anybody on this forum would be to unhappy with waiting until the holidays (Christmas) for a Palm device running dual core processor at 1.2GHz. The article states that these would actually be more battery efficient than the a single core 1.2GHz processor. The also talk about underclocking one of the processors when its isn't necessary to further conserve battery.

    Come on HP put your money where your mouth is and get this Qualcomm chip on this phone or at least follow up the next webOS phone with a second very close behind that has the QSD8672, which runs at 1.5GHz. This would put you guys back in the game as a hardware innovator.
    Last edited by zulfaqar621; 08/14/2010 at 11:24 PM.
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    I wouldn't see it as HP being Innovative considering Motorolla and several other manufactures will have the same processor in their phones shortly after.
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    Palm Pre uses a TI OMAP3430 Processor, running at 600MHz. The next generation TI processor is the OMAP4440 - 1+ GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore + PowerVR SGX 540 GPU + C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor). This processor is state of the art and will probably be the heart of the new smartphones from Palm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by not-yet-pre View Post
    This processor is state of the art and will probably be the heart of the new smartphones from Palm.
    Why do you think this will be in the next Palm phones?
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    Honestly dual core processors in smartphones is getting to be overkill, 1ghz is plenty for 99% of smartphone operations and the rest can be handled by a decent gpu
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    I want my phone to be more powerful than a netbook. Plus what's the bit deal if the battery life isn't going to take a hit?
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    Faster processor (usually) = more power needed which = bigger battery = bigger phones

    Not to mention it's just bragging rights at this point since 1ghz is more than enough most of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by 063_xobx View Post
    Faster processor (usually) = more power needed which = bigger battery = bigger phones

    Not to mention it's just bragging rights at this point since 1ghz is more than enough most of the time
    That would depend entirely on what you're trying to do with your phone. There are ample multi-tasking scenarios that would benefit from multi-core, >1 ghz CPU clock speed. And you're right, Power consumption kind of scales with CPU speed ... mostly, but smart, powerful CPUs are also good at not using all their power when it's not needed thus increasing battery endurance over less smart CPUs. OMAPs are proven power-savers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 063_xobx View Post
    Honestly dual core processors in smartphones is getting to be overkill, 1ghz is plenty for 99% of smartphone operations and the rest can be handled by a decent gpu
    what about heat? More efficient processors with less load but getting things done faster. Would that mean we can finally have phones that wont fry an egg with heavy use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe View Post
    That would depend entirely on what you're trying to do with your phone. There are ample multi-tasking scenarios that would benefit from multi-core, >1 ghz CPU clock speed. And you're right, Power consumption kind of scales with CPU speed ... mostly, but smart, powerful CPUs are also good at not using all their power when it's not needed thus increasing battery endurance over less smart CPUs. OMAPs are proven power-savers.
    Then why does our battery life suck. Is it webOS itself??
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    OMAP4440 seems like a logical next choice. as for speed, always got to have more. if you can't think of a reason why you need your smartphone to be faster, ditch it, it's to smart for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper View Post
    what about heat? More efficient processors with less load but getting things done faster. Would that mean we can finally have phones that wont fry an egg with heavy use?
    I would say, at least in a general sense, this should be true. It would, of course, depend on exactly how the hardware is implemented, materials used, and other components that are in the phone besides the processor. But, yeah, all other things being equal (which they never are), it should amount to a phone that doesn't have to work as hard, which means it should run cooler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Since when has processor power been any kind of competitive advantage in the consumer smartphone market? I seriously doubt this will have any bearing whatsoever on whether HP can successfully re-launch webOS devices.
    my friend has a iphone 3gs and the only reason he doesn't like the pre is hardware..(thats a given) and the fact it's not as snappy as the iphone a faster procc. Should surely fix that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 063_xobx View Post
    Honestly dual core processors in smartphones is getting to be overkill, 1ghz is plenty for 99% of smartphone operations and the rest can be handled by a decent gpu
    Not really. You do realize that Android and WebOS don't utilize the GPU to accelerate the OS right? Furthermore, you see all those nice looking 3D effects? All of them are output by the CPU, unless if it's an app/game. Not even all of the PC games utilize the GPU, but rather the CPU hence the upcoming of the i7 and multi-core. Android specially needs the power of the CPU since it runs everything in a VM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 063_xobx View Post
    Faster processor (usually) = more power needed which = bigger battery = bigger phones

    Not to mention it's just bragging rights at this point since 1ghz is more than enough most of the time
    That only applies to single core and older architecture. ARM11 is power efficient but slow compared to the ARM7 if I'm not mistaken. That's like saying what runs faster clock per clock, a Pentium or an Intel i Core? which one needs less power to run on? which one runs cooler? If you want more power per day, then OEMs can put a dual-core OMAP 4430 clocked at 600MHz, and guess what? It'll run circles around the Pre Plus, run cooler, and even use a lower battery, and will still outlast the Pre Plus.

    What also plays a big role into everything is how well the OS is optimized. Isn't it funny and ironic that even the Pre with a 3.1" HVGA screen has the worst power consumption? Put it up against the Droid and see which one lasts longer, and take into account the difference. If the Droid gets 30mins left compared to the Pre for a whole day usage, then WebOS needs a lot of optimization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper View Post
    what about heat? More efficient processors with less load but getting things done faster. Would that mean we can finally have phones that wont fry an egg with heavy use?
    Think of it this way. A9 > A8; A9 @ 800MHz > A8 1GHz. So if Palm wanted to demo how good the OMAP4 is (remember that there is an OMAP 4340 and 4440, where the 4340 is less than 1GHz, while the 4440 is 1GHz+) they could put two Palm Pres side by side, one with an OMAP 3430 and the other with an OMAP 4430 each clocked @ 1GHz. The OMAP 4 will be faster overall. They can even go as to clock the OMAP 4430 to 800MHz and it will still be faster than the OMAP 3430. If they were to do that then even that would run cooler than the OMAP 3430 at doing the same things. However, it all depends if you're a hardcore multi-tasker and want 100 apps to be open at the same time, then that will run hot lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullonparade85 View Post
    Then why does our battery life suck. Is it webOS itself??
    WebOS may be a contributor depending on how the CPU is told to handle background tasks (like Phone, hardware connections, wifi, bluetooth, GPS, et al). Also, multi-tasking is inherently more power-hungry than mono-tasking andWebOS doen't provide much real-time insight into background program power consumption rates. Additionally, Palm also put a comparatively small battery into the Pre given what it's expected to do as a phone. Finally, if you're a touchstone user, the induction charging method is not as efficient at raising the Li-on charge to its highest state.
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    This would be nice
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    Dual core...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 063_xobx View Post
    Honestly dual core processors in smartphones is getting to be overkill, 1ghz is plenty for 99% of smartphone operations and the rest can be handled by a decent gpu
    640KB ought to be enough for anybody.
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