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    #781  
    I want to do video conferencing through my printer! Come on, HPalm, what else you going to do with a 1.2B purchase? hahahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicekyo View Post
    I want to do video conferencing through my printer! Come on, HPalm, what else you going to do with a 1.2B purchase? hahahaha.
    LOL,lol,LO! take care, Jay
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    sigh, I would love to just hear a leak
  4. #784  
    youve heard of two leaks from someone close to another someone on the inside !! lol oh thats if you read through this thread .
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    I was looking at an EVO today...just because of the build quality issues I have been having with the Pre, the hours wasted in the Sprint Store, and my contract is up in September. But for the life of me I cannot fathom giving up on Palm or the WebOS platform. Messed with the EVO, and it has some cool features--not to mention feels solid! Seriously hoping the next generation Pre, c40, or whatever it may be, is worth the wait and I do hope the size of the unit remains compact--which I consider one of Pre's best features. Not into carrying a brick nor a purse (i.e. iPhone users tend to be Divas) to carry the unit around.
  6. #786  
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    youve heard of two leaks from someone close to another someone on the inside !! lol oh thats if you read through this thread .
    Hi All,

    I have to add, that I like the info contained in the two leaks, (or is that from the leakie, leaker)?? LOL, the info sounds good.

    In addition, it sounds plausible, after all, Palm has hired or has started looking for many new employees, (since the buyout was announced). It makes sense that Palm is going the extra mile, to make sure that the C40 or what ever it will be called, will be a GREAT smart phone!

    Take care, Jay
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  7. #787  
    Hi all, Some place on this thread, I suggested, that the C40 or what ever it will be called, needs to come with a larger battery.

    Since I am not eligible for a Pre,, until the fall. I have to take the word of so many of you, who have complained out the issue of short battery life, (thank you to all of you, for so generously posting info for the rest of us)!

    The more we expect out of this soon to be released phone, the more I feel, Palm would be wise to put in an over sized battery, even if it makes it a little larger, or thicker or heavier.

    Here is the review of the Evo, that the NY Times, just posted. The entire
    2nd half of the review deals with battery issues. It also deals with the newness of 4G and the many problems with it.

    It seems that HTC & Sprint didn't learn from Palm's mistakes. It also reinforces the issue, of being 1st to introduce a new tech, can be riddled with many problems.

    If the EVO's problems that the reviewer, (David Pogue) continue, Sprint truly has a MAJOR problem. It will reinforce the fact that, even though Sprint is busy blaming Palm for all of the problems with the Pre. It will show that a great deal of them are Sprint's own fault.

    Take care,

    Jay

    A Bold Phone Fades a Bit in the Details
    By DAVID POGUE, June 16, 2010

    State of the Art - Sprint’s Bold Evo Phone Fades a Bit in the Details - NYTimes.com

    Fine print, baby. It’s all about the fine print.

    It’ll get you when you buy a car. When you rent an apartment. When you sign a prenup.

    Most of all, it’ll get you when you buy the new Sprint Evo 4G phone ($200, after rebate, with two-year contract).

    It’s another great-looking, blazingly fast app phone made by HTC and running Google’s Android operating system. Android gives the phone more complexity than the iPhone (its obvious rival), but also provides some sensational features: speech recognition that lets you type by speaking, almost anywhere; an excellent, free turn-by-turn GPS navigation program; and a wireless app store stocked with more than 70,000 little programs.

    Of course, the Evo’s little brother, the terrific HTC Incredible, delivers all of that, too.

    What makes the Evo seem even more spectacular are all the firsts and bests.

    For example, the Evo has an enormous 4.3-inch touch screen that dwarfs those of most phones. You can turn the Evo into a pocket Wi-Fi hot spot, so up to eight people can get online with their laptops. The 8-megapixel camera has dual LED flashes and records hi-def video.

    The Evo is also one of the first app phones that can run Flash videos and animations on the Web, which the iPhone, notoriously, can’t. There’s even a second camera on the front, so you can actually make video calls to other Evo owners. Now you, too, can play **** Tracy, or at least show your Evo-owning grandparents the new baby.

    Above all, the Evo is the first 4G phone in America. That is, it can exploit the fourth-generation cellular towers that Sprint has been building, to bring you much, much faster Web pages and e-mail, and skip-free Internet video.

    Come on — all that sounds amazing. Who wouldn’t sign on the dotted line?

    Unfortunately, these groundbreaking features come with enough fine print to give the White Pages an inferiority complex.

    First, the screen. It’s big, all right, and bright and beautiful (480 by 800 pixels). The hugeness pays off when you’re looking at photos, videos or maps, and whenever you’re reading anything.

    Unfortunately, physics has some fine print of its own — and one of the footnotes says that you can’t have a big screen on a small phone. The Evo is nice and thin, but it’s also tall and wide. It is not for the small of hand. People might mistake it for an iPad Nano.

    The Wi-Fi hot spot business is slick. With a couple of taps, you can turn the Evo’s cellular Internet signal into a Wi-Fi hot spot. Now nearby laptops, game machines and even other smartphones can get online wirelessly through it. It’d be great on long car rides, slow-moving movie shoots and camping trips for those who can’t let go of their technology.

    Actually, make that “short car rides,” “brief movie shoots” and “afternoon camping trips,” because this feature eats through a full battery charge in as little as one hour. (More on the Evo’s amazing disappearing battery in a moment.) And beware: the hot spot feature costs an extra $30 a month.

    O.K., so what about Flash? Isn’t a big deal that the Evo lets you watch Flash videos that its rivals can’t?

    Well, sort of. The Evo runs something called Flash Lite, which is marketing-ese for, “Sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t.” It plays videos on some sites that the iPhone can’t — on Engadget, for example, plus all the blinking ads (a mixed blessing). But it still can’t play the Flash videos on CNN.com or, sadly, TV shows on Hulu.com.

    All right, what about video calling? Surely this is the killer app. Imagine: your friends and family can not just hear you, as with normal phones, but see you as well (assuming they also bought Sprint Evos, of course).

    Well, let’s hope they’re NASA engineers, because this feature is head-bangingly unstable. After two days of fiddling, downloading and uninstalling apps, manually force-quitting programs and waiting for servers to be upgraded, I finally got video calling to work — sort of. Sometimes there was only audio and a black screen, sometimes only a freeze-frame; at best, the video was blocky and the audio delay absurd.

    To make video calling work, you have to install an app yourself: either Fring or Qik. But we never did get Fring to work, and Qik requires people you call to press a Talk button to reply to you. The whole thing is confusing, complex and, to use the technical term, iffy.

    But come on — this is the first 4G phone in America! That’s got to be better than 3G, right?

    Hard to say, since I couldn’t find any 4G reception, even in weeks of traveling. My problem, evidently, was that I was visiting major cities like New York, Boston, Chicago and San Francisco. So far, Sprint has installed 4G coverage in only 32 areas — and they’re bustling metropolises like Boise, Idaho; Wichita Falls, Tex.; High Point, N.C.; and Milledgeville, Ga.

    Fortunately, my Times tech colleague, Roy Furchgott, has three things going for him: he also had an Evo to test, he’s a fellow tech reporter and he lives in Baltimore, one of the 4G cities. So I asked him to put the Evo through its paces for me.

    His tests indicate that 4G Internet downloads are about four times as fast as 3G (averaging 2,693 kilobits a second, versus 676 over 3G). He noted that Internet videos don’t stutter, and of course e-mail attachments fly in.

    He also noted, however, that the 4G signal was “spottier than a kennel of Dalmatians.” At his house, he sees four to five signal bars, but two blocks away there is no reception at all. Furthermore, it takes 20 seconds for the phone to recognize that a 4G signal is available, then six minutes to connect for the first time.

    Meanwhile, Sprint charges you a $10 monthly surcharge to own this phone (on top of the $70 minimum a month for calling, texting and Internet), even if you don’t live in a 4G area and can’t use it. (Sprint points out that this package, with its unlimited data, texting and calls to other cellphones, is still a better deal than Verizon’s or AT&T’s.)

    All of this fine print would probably take at least some of the wind out of any Evo devotee’s sails. But the big letdown is battery life.

    If you charge this phone all night long, then leave the house at 8 a.m., you’ll find its battery charge at 50 percent by early afternoon, even if you don’t make a single call or send a single e-mail message. By quitting time, or dinner time if you’re lucky, it’s completely dead. On this phone, the battery gauge practically shrivels as you’re looking at it.

    Sprint suggests that you turn the 4G feature on and off as needed throughout the day to save juice — but that’s rearranging crackers on plates on deck chairs on the Titanic. This phone has far bigger battery-life problems, including its incredibly fast (but power-hungry) processor, the Android system’s multitasking feature, and of course the super features like the Wi-Fi hot spot.

    The good news is that most of the disappointing, flaky and mediocre aspects of the Evo all pertain to its cutting-edge features. Thousands of people don’t actually care about 4G or hot spots or video calling. They take pleasure in the Evo’s less exotic features: sizzling speed, smooth software, ingenious layout of the five home screens, and even the little kickstand that props the thing up when you’re watching a video.

    Beyond that, the Evo is basically a technology demo. It’s a glimpse at the high-speed, smooth-video future of this country’s cell systems, at least for people who live in those 32 lucky hamlets.

    Someday soon, of course, you’ll stumble across a news item like, “4G Networks Now Blanket the Country; Refined Phones Overcome Battery-Life Problems.” When that headline comes along, it will be some fine print, indeed.


    E-mail: pogue@nytimes.com.
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  8. #788  
    The EVO in 3g has really good battery life but if your in a 4G area and your usiing 4G your gonna get Palm Pre like battery problems. Ive read some people in 4G areas, there evos are as bad a a PRE battery wise. but its not the evo its any phone that uses 4G. If the new WEb OS phone thats comes out next year ?? is 4G it will get Pre like battery usage also. 4g kills a battery. Batterys are not ready for 3G let alone 4G.
  9. #789  
    HI all,

    That's why Palm needs to do 2 things.

    1. try to use a power miser chip.
    2. Use a larger battery. It does not need to be a thick battery. After all, the latest leaks, say the c40 will be larger than the Pre. Why not have a larger, thinner battery????

    Take care, Jay
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  10. #790  
    Good grief...not the Evo *beep* again!? Seriously, the sites I've seen that have down actual power testing show same or worse battery life than the Pre. No power when idle for 12 hours? My Pre can go much longer than that when just sitting there.

    Plus, the screen adhesive has quality issues. Having the glass peel away from my phone would really tick me off. My Pre+ is still solid as a rock 3 months in.
  11. #791  
    Those test are done using 4G not 3G. in 4G as I said the EVO has horrible battery life. Abysmal.
    The EVO does not have great battery life ( what phone does) but Trust me I have both the EVO and PRe and the EVO with the same battery ( I have the extended 1500 battery for the PRE and the stock a500 for the EVO) and the Pre is not as good as the EVO ( when in 3G) And the build quality of a PRE is so far ( things can change) alot worse then the few issues of the EVO , again if the EVO has the same issues as the PRE I will be the first person to say it. I say it about my beloved PRE. Jeez I mean Sprint was giving us free batterys becasue of the Battery issues and people returning the PRE . Updates to the Pre have helped but it still not good. I llike the Pre but lets get real here the Battery and Build quality of the Pre are bad.The Pre should never have been released with the quality control issues it has and if the EVO screen issue gets like the PRE issues then it also should never have seen the light of day. You may have the no battery probelms and great build but alot of us Pre owners ( see all the post) have so many issues thats its not even funny.
    Last edited by VaccPalm; 06/17/2010 at 08:43 AM.
  12. #792  
    Absolutley agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    HI all,

    That's why Palm needs to do 2 things.

    1. try to use a power miser chip.
    2. Use a larger battery. It does not need to be a thick battery. After all, the latest leaks, say the c40 will be larger than the Pre. Why not have a larger, thinner battery????

    Take care, Jay
  13. #793  
    Quote Originally Posted by nicekyo View Post
    I want to do video conferencing through my printer! Come on, HPalm, what else you going to do with a 1.2B purchase? hahahaha.
    hahahaha!!!!

    love that. Wish I could with this google toaster I bougt yesturday. All I have is gps. Dammit!!
  14. #794  
    Quote Originally Posted by VaccPalm View Post
    Absolutley agree.
    hay, what can I tell you on occasion, my mind actually has a few good ideas......I know, it's a shame they don't happen often enough! LOL
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  15. #795  
    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    hi all, some place on this thread, i suggested, that the c40 or what ever it will be called, needs to come with a larger battery.

    Since i am not eligible for a pre,, until the fall. I have to take the word of so many of you, who have complained out the issue of short battery life, (thank you to all of you, for so generously posting info for the rest of us)!

    The more we expect out of this soon to be released phone, the more i feel, palm would be wise to put in an over sized battery, even if it makes it a little larger, or thicker or heavier.

    Here is the review of the evo, that the ny times, just posted. The entire
    2nd half of the review deals with battery issues. It also deals with the newness of 4g and the many problems with it.

    It seems that htc & sprint didn't learn from palm's mistakes. It also reinforces the issue, of being 1st to introduce a new tech, can be riddled with many problems.

    If the evo's problems that the reviewer, (david pogue) continue, sprint truly has a major problem. It will reinforce the fact that, even though sprint is busy blaming palm for all of the problems with the pre. It will show that a great deal of them are sprint's own fault.

    Take care,

    jay

    a bold phone fades a bit in the details
    by david pogue, june 16, 2010

    state of the art - sprint’s bold evo phone fades a bit in the details - nytimes.com

    fine print, baby. It’s all about the fine print.

    It’ll get you when you buy a car. When you rent an apartment. When you sign a prenup.

    Most of all, it’ll get you when you buy the new sprint evo 4g phone ($200, after rebate, with two-year contract).

    It’s another great-looking, blazingly fast app phone made by htc and running google’s android operating system. Android gives the phone more complexity than the iphone (its obvious rival), but also provides some sensational features: Speech recognition that lets you type by speaking, almost anywhere; an excellent, free turn-by-turn gps navigation program; and a wireless app store stocked with more than 70,000 little programs.

    Of course, the evo’s little brother, the terrific htc incredible, delivers all of that, too.

    What makes the evo seem even more spectacular are all the firsts and bests.

    For example, the evo has an enormous 4.3-inch touch screen that dwarfs those of most phones. You can turn the evo into a pocket wi-fi hot spot, so up to eight people can get online with their laptops. The 8-megapixel camera has dual led flashes and records hi-def video.

    The evo is also one of the first app phones that can run flash videos and animations on the web, which the iphone, notoriously, can’t. There’s even a second camera on the front, so you can actually make video calls to other evo owners. Now you, too, can play **** tracy, or at least show your evo-owning grandparents the new baby.

    Above all, the evo is the first 4g phone in america. That is, it can exploit the fourth-generation cellular towers that sprint has been building, to bring you much, much faster web pages and e-mail, and skip-free internet video.

    Come on — all that sounds amazing. Who wouldn’t sign on the dotted line?

    Unfortunately, these groundbreaking features come with enough fine print to give the white pages an inferiority complex.

    First, the screen. It’s big, all right, and bright and beautiful (480 by 800 pixels). The hugeness pays off when you’re looking at photos, videos or maps, and whenever you’re reading anything.

    Unfortunately, physics has some fine print of its own — and one of the footnotes says that you can’t have a big screen on a small phone. The evo is nice and thin, but it’s also tall and wide. It is not for the small of hand. People might mistake it for an ipad nano.

    The wi-fi hot spot business is slick. With a couple of taps, you can turn the evo’s cellular internet signal into a wi-fi hot spot. Now nearby laptops, game machines and even other smartphones can get online wirelessly through it. It’d be great on long car rides, slow-moving movie shoots and camping trips for those who can’t let go of their technology.

    Actually, make that “short car rides,” “brief movie shoots” and “afternoon camping trips,” because this feature eats through a full battery charge in as little as one hour. (more on the evo’s amazing disappearing battery in a moment.) and beware: The hot spot feature costs an extra $30 a month.

    O.k., so what about flash? Isn’t a big deal that the evo lets you watch flash videos that its rivals can’t?

    Well, sort of. The evo runs something called flash lite, which is marketing-ese for, “sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t.” it plays videos on some sites that the iphone can’t — on engadget, for example, plus all the blinking ads (a mixed blessing). But it still can’t play the flash videos on cnn.com or, sadly, tv shows on hulu.com.

    All right, what about video calling? Surely this is the killer app. Imagine: Your friends and family can not just hear you, as with normal phones, but see you as well (assuming they also bought sprint evos, of course).

    Well, let’s hope they’re nasa engineers, because this feature is head-bangingly unstable. After two days of fiddling, downloading and uninstalling apps, manually force-quitting programs and waiting for servers to be upgraded, i finally got video calling to work — sort of. Sometimes there was only audio and a black screen, sometimes only a freeze-frame; at best, the video was blocky and the audio delay absurd.

    To make video calling work, you have to install an app yourself: Either fring or qik. But we never did get fring to work, and qik requires people you call to press a talk button to reply to you. The whole thing is confusing, complex and, to use the technical term, iffy.

    But come on — this is the first 4g phone in america! That’s got to be better than 3g, right?

    Hard to say, since i couldn’t find any 4g reception, even in weeks of traveling. My problem, evidently, was that i was visiting major cities like new york, boston, chicago and san francisco. So far, sprint has installed 4g coverage in only 32 areas — and they’re bustling metropolises like boise, idaho; wichita falls, tex.; high point, n.c.; and milledgeville, ga.

    Fortunately, my times tech colleague, roy furchgott, has three things going for him: He also had an evo to test, he’s a fellow tech reporter and he lives in baltimore, one of the 4g cities. So i asked him to put the evo through its paces for me.

    His tests indicate that 4g internet downloads are about four times as fast as 3g (averaging 2,693 kilobits a second, versus 676 over 3g). He noted that internet videos don’t stutter, and of course e-mail attachments fly in.

    He also noted, however, that the 4g signal was “spottier than a kennel of dalmatians.” at his house, he sees four to five signal bars, but two blocks away there is no reception at all. Furthermore, it takes 20 seconds for the phone to recognize that a 4g signal is available, then six minutes to connect for the first time.

    Meanwhile, sprint charges you a $10 monthly surcharge to own this phone (on top of the $70 minimum a month for calling, texting and internet), even if you don’t live in a 4g area and can’t use it. (sprint points out that this package, with its unlimited data, texting and calls to other cellphones, is still a better deal than verizon’s or at&t’s.)

    all of this fine print would probably take at least some of the wind out of any evo devotee’s sails. But the big letdown is battery life.

    If you charge this phone all night long, then leave the house at 8 a.m., you’ll find its battery charge at 50 percent by early afternoon, even if you don’t make a single call or send a single e-mail message. By quitting time, or dinner time if you’re lucky, it’s completely dead. On this phone, the battery gauge practically shrivels as you’re looking at it.

    Sprint suggests that you turn the 4g feature on and off as needed throughout the day to save juice — but that’s rearranging crackers on plates on deck chairs on the titanic. This phone has far bigger battery-life problems, including its incredibly fast (but power-hungry) processor, the android system’s multitasking feature, and of course the super features like the wi-fi hot spot.

    The good news is that most of the disappointing, flaky and mediocre aspects of the evo all pertain to its cutting-edge features. Thousands of people don’t actually care about 4g or hot spots or video calling. They take pleasure in the evo’s less exotic features: Sizzling speed, smooth software, ingenious layout of the five home screens, and even the little kickstand that props the thing up when you’re watching a video.

    Beyond that, the evo is basically a technology demo. It’s a glimpse at the high-speed, smooth-video future of this country’s cell systems, at least for people who live in those 32 lucky hamlets.

    Someday soon, of course, you’ll stumble across a news item like, “4g networks now blanket the country; refined phones overcome battery-life problems.” when that headline comes along, it will be some fine print, indeed.


    E-mail: pogue@nytimes.com.
    wow ! Holy wall of text batman !!!!
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  16. #796  
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    wow ! Holy wall of text batman !!!!
    LOL, it won't be the first time I've been accused of being long winded! (Or is that long worded, since this is written and not the spoke word)! LOL. Take care, jay
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  17. #797  
    Hey Sometimes something important takes alot of words. But would probally be good if people did not quote it.
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    #798  
    Seems like HPalm (if the leaks are true) is just trying to keep up and not excel against the competition.
  19. #799  
    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    LOL, it won't be the first time I've been accused of being long winded! (Or is that long worded, since this is written and not the spoke word)! LOL. Take care, jay
    ha ha yeah that's an under statement . Lol !
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  20. #800  
    I think we should all that these rumours with a block of salt until the deal is final between HP and Palm.

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