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    I currently use a Nokia 6190 with Voicestream and a Handspring Visor Platinum PDA.

    I would very much like to have the convienence of both in one device. Now that they are offering the $100 upgrade cost I am considering buying a Treo.

    Anyone move from a similar combination to the Treo? Are you happy or unhappy with your purchase?

    I called handspring and they said I could return it within 30 days. I'd really like to use one before I make up my mind. I'm really happy with both my current phone and PDA and don't want to give up anything (besides money) to make the transition to one device. Will it still clip to your belt with a swivel clip?

    Leonarb@aol.com
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    Well I have used a Visor Prism and Phone combo in the past. I prefer the Treo over this. I find that I use my Treo at least 5 times as much as I did with my Visor Prism. Unlike the Visor Prism, the Treo is with me all the time. In terms of the phone component -- the address book "smarts" designed into the unit makes it a pleasure to make a call, In the past I had to turn on my Visor, look up a number then put away my Visor and dial the number. Now all I have to so is type in the first 2 letters of a person's name and voila..its ready to be dialled. I never program numbers into my regular cell phone because it was a pain to input it and look it up.
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    I also moved from a two piece solution, my Palm Vx and a Motorola P739 (or something, anyway it had an IR modem in it). While I used my Vx constantly, and the phone was with me whenever I went out, the Treo is more than the sum of the two, imho. Yardie gives a great example with the dialing of numbers. It really is just that easy. I'll admit that my address book isn't very large, but I rarely need to press more than two letters to get to the person I want. I also appreciate mow much easier SMS is on the Treo. I used it as proof that I could with my old phone, but it was tedious at best. I've actually used SMS to message someone with my Treo. That alone is a big difference. Making data connections is SO much nicer without having to point two devices at each other, or cable them together. I also look forward to trying out the GPRS "always on" connection as well.
    With my Vx, I didn't have expansion, and I didn't have a color screen, so moving to the Treo was a step up in all respects. More RAM, faster processor... though I did get an older OS, and wish HS had gone with OS 4.1 with this, if only for the Event Manager in OS4, but still it's not a big loss. DateBk5 handles all that stuff just fine anyway.
    I was worried about the keyboard, but I've come to like it better than graffiti. The learning curve is smaller/shorter than graffiti, because the only thing you learn is a couple of button combos that make things easier, and practicing is what makes you faster on any input method.

    I say unless you had some really splendiferous Springboard modules (8meg flash module doesn't count ;-), then going to a Treo from your current set up is going to be a pleasant experience.

    Go for it!
    Anyway, like they said, you can return it if you don't like it. ;-)
    -Greg
    Seattle Palm Users Group!
    http://www.seapug.com/
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    How do you carry it around? My current Nokia phone clips to one of those swivel clips on my belt which I really like as it moves out of the way when I sit down. Is this available for the Treo as well?

    What does the Treo come with? Do I have to buy a new Charger for the car and handsfree kit?
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    Originally posted by Bruce Leonard
    How do you carry it around? My current Nokia phone clips to one of those swivel clips on my belt which I really like as it moves out of the way when I sit down. Is this available for the Treo as well?
    There are several options available now. Cases by Krusell and Case Techworks, a clip from some other company that I can't remember the name of, a funky looking case from Handspring, and a universal Mico Cell Phone case from Brookstone, which many of us have come to prefer. Certainly, more will be coming out shortly. Some people have even put andesive swivel clip buttons on the backs of their Treos and clipped them right to their belts, just like a norm cell phone. Unfortunately, the Treo does not come with any sort of case at all. I guess they think you'll just carry it in your pocket, or buy their case. ;-)

    Originally posted by Bruce Leonard
    What does the Treo come with? Do I have to buy a new Charger for the car and handsfree kit?
    It comes with itself, and it's USB charging/syncing cable (with power supply that can be just a charger), a lame hands-free headset (that you'll probably want to replace), and that's it. If you want to charge in the car, you'll have to purchase a charging cable for cars, which I believe Handspring sells now. You'll also have to figure out a way to mount it in your car. There are many solutions, including mounts that use gripping jaws to hold the PDA (look for PDA mounts, since the Treo is too wide for most Phone mounts). Alas, same as the case, nothing comes with the Treo to mount it in your car.

    There are several threads on this board about car mounts and cases. A search or two will reveal them all to you. Or someone else might dig them up and post links to them in this thread.

    -Greg
    Seattle Palm Users Group!
    http://www.seapug.com/
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    Originally posted by Bruce Leonard
    How do you carry it around? My current Nokia phone clips to one of those swivel clips on my belt which I really like as it moves out of the way when I sit down. Is this available for the Treo as well?
    There are glue on swivel clips avaible and also a number of (holster) cases

    Originally posted by Bruce Leonard
    What does the Treo come with? Do I have to buy a new Charger for the car and handsfree kit?
    It comes with a handsfree earplug and more...
    see: http://www.handspring.com/products/t...whats_included

    accesories:
    http://www.handspring.com/products/a..._cat_name=Treo
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    Just as long you dont need a Car Hands-Free Set.

    nor does it seem ready for one (Mic not going out the main connector, and Ant not going out anywhere at all...)
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    I had a Palm VII which was nice. I used it every day. It lacked a) a phone, b) access to true URL Web pages. I had a Mitsubishi 250 cell phone also, with data service through AT&T but it was heavy, stayed in the car's glove department, and was too hard to navigate through. I replaced both with the Treo and even lowered the combined monthly bill. I carry the Treo in the hard leather Nutshell case (belt loop) style, that fits tight against my waist. I forget I am wearing my Treo, most of the time! I also bought Treo's soft case with the headset mesh bag, but it felt loose, dangled, and reminded me of its presence too much. For awhile I had trouble working with Cingular, but now almost everything works great. I say almost because I still can't send replies to my Pop3 e-mail, using either One-Touch or Eudora (I think it's because my e-mail is mail.sprintmail.com but it goes through earthlink.net and that is too confusing). Every day I am amazed at how great the Treo is.
    Treo user, 67+
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    sjohnson wrote:
    I say almost because I still can't send replies to my Pop3 e-mail, using either One-Touch or Eudora (I think it's because my e-mail is mail.sprintmail.com but it goes through earthlink.net and that is too confusing).


    Earthlink doesn't allow relaying through its SMTP servers. In Eudora go to Options|Network Preferences. The pull-down menu should have an option for Earthlink dialup. By dialing into Earthlink directly you should be able to send emai as well as receive it.

    I don't have a Treo (waiting for CDMA) but I have a Kyo 6035 and usually have my Network Prefs set to Sprint QNC for checking email and web access, which connects in a few seconds. Since dialing into Earthlink takes nearly a minute, I switch to Earthlink only when I need to actually send email.
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    Gameboy 70: Thanks for your note. You say "Earthlink doesn't allow relaying through its SMTP servers." That is interesting! No one ever told me that before. I am able to receive e-mail through Cingular's My Wireless Window which goes to the mail.sprintmail.com server, but can't reply or send mail through that server. I tried renaming it smtp.sprintmail.com, and mail.earthlink.com, as suggested by Earthlink Techies, but none of these suggestions helped. I could both send and receive POP3 email with my Palm VII, but not on the Treo. If I list Earthlink as an alternative dialup for the occasion when I need to send an e-mail other than a 160-character SMS message, what phone number should I put in? I have a local dialup number that I use in Southern California, but would I use the same number in, say, Chicago? Earthlink also has some 800 and 888 numbers, but charges 8 cents a minute for their use (which is not much, for sending a short e-mail). I used to use the 800 numbers on my Psion 5. Any thoughts? Steve
    Treo user, 67+
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    I hope this will be some help but am not too sure. I have found that the only way for me to send mail is to do a full send and receive. If I do send or reply by itself it will not work. I should getoff my lazy behind and find out why... but if I save the message after composing it in the outbox, and then do a full send and receive it goes thru almost all the time.

    FWIW

    Rod

    PS I sent this from the cool little gadget itself :-)
    "Happy are they whose sins are forgiven, whose wrongs are pardoned"

    Romans 4:7
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    sjohnson wrote:

    You say "Earthlink doesn't allow relaying through its SMTP servers." That is interesting! No one ever told me that before. I am able to receive e-mail through Cingular's My Wireless Window which goes to the mail.sprintmail.com server, but can't reply or send mail through that server. I tried renaming it smtp.sprintmail.com, and mail.earthlink.com, as suggested by Earthlink Techies, but none of these suggestions helped.


    I suspected it was a relaying issue what I found myself unable to send email. Many ISPs prohibit relaying to ward off spammers. So I emailed a friend who is a former Earthlink techie himself and he confirmed what I suspected.

    My outgoing SMTP server is mail.ix.netcom.com (Netcom was acquired by Earthlink), so I can't see why mail.earthlink.net (or .com?) wouldn't work unless you haven't changed the Service option in the Network Preferences I mentioned before. If you're dialing into Cingular you can access Earthlink's incoming POP3, but you can't access Earthlink's outgoing SMTP through Cingular; you have to dial into Earthlink directly. You can probably send HTTP mail through their web-based mail service, but I haven't tried it.

    I could both send and receive POP3 email with my Palm VII, but not on the Treo.

    With Earthlink or Palm.net? I'm assuming the latter, which wouldn't surprise me.

    If I list Earthlink as an alternative dialup for the occasion when I need to send an e-mail other than a 160-character SMS message, what phone number should I put in? I have a local dialup number that I use in Southern California, but would I use the same number in, say, Chicago? Earthlink also has some 800 and 888 numbers, but charges 8 cents a minute for their use (which is not much, for sending a short e-mail).

    If you have a nationwide plan on Cingular, the local dialup is a non-issue. That's one of the reasons I didn't get the Treo when if first came out. Cingular was the only provider in So Cal, and their nationwide plans were too expensive. It's probably four or five times cheaper to pay Earthlink's per-minute charge on an 800/888 number with a local Cingular plan than to pay Cingular's per-minute charge on long-distance calls to your "local" dial-up. That might be another argument for experimenting with web-based mail.
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    Thanks for your detailed followup. It sounds like you live in S. Calif. also; I live in Torrance. I signed up for Cingular Nation 250, which turned out to be very economical for me. There is no charge for roaming, etc. In Washington, D. C. two weeks ago on business, I turned on my baby Treo and it found Voicestream, no problem, connected smoothly, and there's no extra charge.
    When I get time I will setup an alternative dialup for Earthlink's 800 number, since all information I am getting (and yours has finalized it) says that you can't get into Earthlink's SMTP server through Cingular's My Wireless Window. I will use it only when I wish to send an Earthlink (in my case, Sprintmail) message. I receive all my Sprintmail messages just fine.
    As I have said before and elsewhere, the Treo is one of those rare products that exceeded my expectations! Now, if I could only afford the color version when it comes out...Thanks! Steve
    Treo user, 67+
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    Originally posted by sjohnson
    There is no charge for roaming, etc. In Washington, D. C. two weeks ago on business, I turned on my baby Treo and it found Voicestream, no problem, connected smoothly, and there's no extra charge.
    Were you able to check email/browse the web when roaming on VoiceStream? Did you use the regular My Wireless Window connection? I'll be travelling to the east coast (areas served by VoiceStream) this weekend and Cingular was unable to tell me if I would be able to check email.

    Thanks.
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    Scott: So far, my only experience outside of Los Angeles with the Treo is the one trip to Washington, D.C. When I arrived there I was not hopeful but it worked seamlessly! (I was accustomed to traveling with my Palm VII, where my experience had been uneven, with an inability to get e-mails in odd places like Orlando FLA). But with the Treo I was able to retrieve my pop3 e-mails and browse. I cannot honestly recall if My Wireless Window appeared on the screen, but I think it must have, because I do remember getting my e-mails and checking an online stocks chat discussion group. At the end of the stay, I phoned from Wash-Dulles airport and left a message on our home answering machine in Torrance, and the sound was warbly, but good enough to be understood though barely. The Treo rules! I'm 64 but I pick up useful phrases from my 35-year-old son. Steve
    Treo user, 67+
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    Originally posted by sjohnson
    But with the Treo I was able to retrieve my pop3 e-mails and browse. I cannot honestly recall if My Wireless Window appeared on the screen, but I think it must have, because I do remember getting my e-mails and checking an online stocks chat discussion group.
    Thanks for the info; so far my experience with Cingular has been quite mixed and the roaming stuff is real new to me as I've had Sprint PCS for almost 3 years where the phone either works or doesn't and everywhere it works, it has the same capabilities, i.e. if I'm in Portland, I can connect my laptop to my phone and surf the web. With my Treo, I have no idea what would happen (Portland is a VoiceStream area and I haven't been up there since I got my Treo).
  17. #17  
    Originally posted by sgruby


    Were you able to check email/browse the web when roaming on VoiceStream? Did you use the regular My Wireless Window connection? I'll be travelling to the east coast (areas served by VoiceStream) this weekend and Cingular was unable to tell me if I would be able to check email.

    Thanks.
    Scott - I have Cingular in NC and traveled to NYC last month (Voicestream) with no issues - MyWirelessWindow connection just worked like at home, though it took about twice as long to connect (30 vs. 15 seconds).

    Paul

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