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  1. #21  
    I am always impressed with the price, performance, design, battery life etc of hardware that is not available to the public.
  2.    #22  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    For me the Treo is the winner, you are dissapointed with the treo, but what alternative do you give?
    You are 100% correct. The Treo is the best option out there right now, although the Samsung comes close (I believe the Samsung has Sprint's Wireless Web in color and uses Blazer to boot!).

    Here's how I started this thread. I received my newsletter via e-mail from PDABuzz. I saw a clip on the confence in France and Microsoft announcement of the Stinger and thh HP PPC Phone. I thought it looked cool and would be of interest to my fellow PDA users here. So I posted the link and compared the new devices briefly to the Treo.

    I would not call these new PPC devices vaporware. Anything being heavily pushed by the largest software producer should be taken seriously. MS is determined to produce these devices. How can you take that lightly? Treo is the best option for now, especially for corporate users. I'm just trying to see what's coming down the road.
  3. #23  
    Originally posted by RedSoxPDAer
    Anything being heavily pushed by the largest software producer should be taken seriously.
    WinCE 1.0. Bob. Clippy. ...
  4. #24  
    Originally posted by RedSoxPDAer
    [...] Yeah, some will complain how complex the OS is. Well most older folks complain how complicated their VCR and 'traditional' cell phone are, but I have no such complaints.
    Just because you have no complaints, it is foolish to assume that others' complaints are invalid or a result of some ageist argument.
    My point is that modern, forward-looking devices are usually a bit complicated at the onset.
    That's due to the personal biases of many engineers.
    I like the concept. A bit more refinement is needed. But at least MS is taking living on the edge with these devices. [...]
    Some of us are quite tired of the blood transfusions required by living on Microsoft's bleeding edge.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by RedSoxPDAer
    Really, what actually excites you about the Treo 180? [...]
    Who exactly planted the idea in your mind that PDAs were supposed to be exciting? Nothing about _any_ PDA or PDA/Phone excites me.
    And I can tell you that the young GenX (me) and GenY individuals donít give my VisorPhone a second glance, nor will they the Treo (grayscale model at least). But when they see the Smartphone, the Samsung PDA/phone, they flip. [...]
    Great illustration of why anecodotal evidence is a horrible thing to base an argument upon. Incidentally, mine differs (I've seen the opposite).
    Yes, this may sound sad, but guess who drives markets and makes companies legends? Yes, the younger generation who are willing and usually able to drop $200-300 for a device because it is cool and practical... but just plain cool.
    Define this 'younger generation'. GenX and GenY don't mean a thing to me because they are usually defined to suit the purpose of the person using the phrase.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    I've been using my 270 for a week now and love it. But I have to agree that I am singularly disappointed with HS's attitude towards leaving basic individual ringtone selection functionality out. How much effort would it have been to at least integrate one simple field into the phonebook to specify a ringtone for an individual and write the call reception routine to check it and play the tune? They already had to modify the phone book code anyway to integrate a dial feature in it, and could have easily included the hook in the call reception code that they probably just recylced from the visor phone. Being a professional programmer for many years, I can see it as being neither difficult nor expensive to do. It's not asking them to add an MP3 player. Heck, it's not even asking to provide a full blown ringtone manager to do groups or compose ringtones. Just basic functionality on an indiviudal basis. They could've left the rest to third party. I was completely shocked when I found out I'd have to buy third party software to get this functionality. It's also pretty embarrassing to show one of my friend's, what they all instantly agree is a cool feature, and then admit I had to buy that feature after paying the whopping $500 for what I'm convincing them is a state of the art cell phone. Furthermore, it gives me the impression that the programming development team was either plain lazy or just didn't care. If I was on that development team I would be embarrassed if we didn't put in such an obviously useful and easily implimentable feature into the phone book. I would've wrote it all by myself and thrown it in as an Easter Egg if I had to. The marketing dept must also be looked upon as sloppy by not realizing the extra marketing advantage of such an obvious built in feature. It boggles the mind when I think about what a great job they did on every other aspect of the 270's design. It seems like a momentary lapse of all reason on their part. It's this type of sloppiness from HS that really makes me worry about their future and the future of my investment.
  7. #27  
    Originally posted by Bob-C
    I've been using my 270 for a week now and love it. But I have to agree that I am singularly disappointed with HS's attitude towards leaving basic individual ringtone selection functionality out. How much effort would it have been to at least integrate one simple field into the phonebook to specify a ringtone for an individual and write the call reception routine to check it and play the tune?
    I don't see myself as wanting a different ringtone for different individuals. I have 500 in my address book. I like the visual display of the caller. It seems to me when there is a call one needs to take some action on the call, ignore, pickup etc. This involves touching the device. I suppost with the ear bud, you could have some different function, but for me destinctive ring is not a want or must have.
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by Bob-C
    If I was on that development team I would be embarrassed if we didn't put in such an obviously useful and easily implimentable feature into the phone book. I would've wrote it all by myself and thrown it in as an Easter Egg if I had to. The marketing dept must also be looked upon as sloppy by not realizing the extra marketing advantage of such an obvious built in feature. It boggles the mind when I think about what a great job they did on every other aspect of the 270's design. It seems like a momentary lapse of all reason on their part. It's this type of sloppiness from HS that really makes me worry about their future and the future of my investment.
    C'mon! When you use your Treo don't you see how much of the software has been written from the ground up? I can not believe you are harping on something like this so extensively. Personally I love my Treo 270 and am glad they spent so much time working out the usability of the thing. Considering how complex it is, it is surprisingly bug free. We all have our little off-the-beaten path wants, but companies don't aim for those on the periphery, they aim for the center of their market. Personally I am glad I ONLY had to spend $499 to get a cutting edge handheld and phone that does more than I could have hoped it could do. Will somebody else come along and include more? Yes... But then Handspring will leapfrog them... And so on and so on... We're all technology buyers and we all know the basic rules of the game. So let's not whine about them. If it really bugs you, vote with your $$.
  9. #29  
    As much as I like my Treo, I still think Handspring has failed immensely in providing some very basic features in the Treo. Features that have been available on almost all GSM phones for ages. Can someone explain to me why is it that they don't even have a simple interface of the address book and the SMS feature. Why can I not just go to the address book select a contact and choose to send an SMS. It would seem to be the obvious way to do things. I could actually list several such screwups in the Treo.
  10. #30  
    Well, what you can do is type in the first few letters of the person's name in the SMS dialog and it will go to that person's number. Is that not good enough?
  11. #31  
    Originally posted by KRamsauer
    Well, what you can do is type in the first few letters of the person's name in the SMS dialog and it will go to that person's number. Is that not good enough?
    Honestly, NO it is not good enough. Specially not for a phone that costs $700 US. Also it is much simpler to look up a name in the address book compared to typing it in the SMS program.
  12. #32  
    Seems really easy to me. Hit the SMS button, hit new, type "Sm" if you are SMSing Smith, hit "okay" and it's all addressed. Your proposing hitting the address button, typing "Sm" then hitting an "SMS" button. 5 strokes vs 4. For most people I'd say that's sufficient. Just my 2 cents.
  13. #33  
    Originally posted by george_vc


    I don't see myself as wanting a different ringtone for different individuals. I have 500 in my address book. I like the visual display of the caller. It seems to me when there is a call one needs to take some action on the call, ignore, pickup etc. This involves touching the device. I suppost with the ear bud, you could have some different function, but for me destinctive ring is not a want or must have.
    I can see that being handy, some of the nokia's allow you to group your adress book. Work people have a different ring than friends.. you dont have to look at the screen to see if it is bussiness of pleasure...
    Also they allow you to let groups to go straight to voicemail (office in the weekend, friends during meetings etc)
    All great features, but can you live without them? yes I can, so do most people.. But still it would have been great if the treo had the functionality..
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  14. #34  
    Originally posted by Fyr654321


    C'mon! When you use your Treo don't you see how much of the software has been written from the ground up? I can not believe you are harping on something like this so extensively. .... Will somebody else come along and include more? Yes... But then Handspring will leapfrog them... And so on and so on... We're all technology buyers and we all know the basic rules of the game. So let's not whine about them. If it really bugs you, vote with your $$.

    The major point I really need to make is that HS has banked the ENTIRE success of their company on the Treo. The Visor line is dead and they want to become the niche company that has the cell phone/PDA market. In effect they are actually trying to become a high end cell phone company. I totally agree with that strategy because the competition for selling a typical PDA is just too intense for HS to survive. But for HS to be successful in their strategy they need to bring in new customers, who have not traditionally been in the PDA market, but are high end cell phone buyers. And to do that they need to make their product better in every single facet to a normal cell phone because a lot of these new potential buyers may not be in the market for a PDA but will see the Treo for the first time from a cell phone dealer. They may not understand that they can sync their cell phone up to a PC app but would greatly appreciate that they can they can turn the ringtone of they're nagging girlfriend to silence but still be able to hear the phone go off when they're boss calls. And they're not gonna want to be bothered with figuring out how to obtain and load third party software to do it. HS really needs to think about these buyers and realize they can't leave all the added convenience features, and in effect their own future, to third party software companies.
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