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  1.    #21  
    Originally posted by nwhitfield
    Don't even go there! It's a mighty big can of worms, and completely off topic for VC too, I suspect.
    Chicken.



    You could take it over to Inane Ramblings.
  2. #22  
    I daresay I could. But I've had enough weird (and abusive) email in the past, just for daring to suggest Europe has a better developed cellular infrastructure as a result of regulation and that market forces don't always deliver for the consumer.

    So, I'm quite happy to chicken out. But y'all are welcome to fly here and chat face to face ;-)

    Nigel.
  3. #23  
    Originally posted by nwhitfield
    I daresay I could. But I've had enough weird (and abusive) email in the past, just for daring to suggest Europe has a better developed cellular infrastructure as a result of regulation and that market forces don't always deliver for the consumer.
    That wasn't the issue. Europe does have a far better developed GSM network. As mentioned in our previous discussion, though, this wasn't because of natural market forces. It was because of _mandated_ competing standards imposed by the FCC. The original analog market in the US developed naturally and since it was in the best interest of carriers to stay compatible (since they could then make money off of roaming traffic in their network), analog followed one ubiquitious standard. The competing standards and spotty coverage in the US is _contrary_ to the market (people don't like messing with decisions on carriers and coverage).

    The issue that drew the comment was the implication that 'every country' = 'every European country'. ToolkiT plainly said that he was interested in one that would work in his current location (Oz) and Europe and the occasional trip to the US. The best choice in that case would be 900/1900 (since 900 coverage in Europe is practically ubiquitous and there is no 900 or 1800 coverage in the US). I'm not offended by the suggestion that the US GSM network is primitive because I know that it is, but to suggest that the best choice is a standard that won't fulfill the stated goal simply because it'll fulfill the only goal the poster seems to think is important is a bit off.
    So, I'm quite happy to chicken out. But y'all are welcome to fly here and chat face to face ;-)
    Well, I'm likely not crossing the pond any time soon, but when the time comes, you can pick the pub (just make sure it's CAMRA approved ).
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  4. #24  
    Don't worry, Toby. I wasn't referring to your comments - just things I've had emailed to me personally in the past by people who prefer to be abusive in private than argue their point in public.

    And I have no doubt that if I were to raise to the bait and express some commonly held European views here (strictly off topic), my mailbox would explode!
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by nwhitfield
    Don't worry, Toby. I wasn't referring to your comments - just things I've had emailed to me personally in the past by people who prefer to be abusive in private than argue their point in public.
    Well, I prefer to be abusive in public.
    And I have no doubt that if I were to raise to the bait and express some commonly held European views here (strictly off topic), my mailbox would explode!
    Sure, every nation has their @$$holes. It's a human condition, not a national one. Just some are more open about their @$$holiness than others, I suppose. lol
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  6. #26  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Hmm...that's quaint. The 'Ugly American' attitude from a Luxembourger.
    Probably I shouldn't even be answering, but I'm curious: what did you find "quaint" in my purely informative posting? Read it again. I'm merely correcting a mistake I made before. There is absolutely no comparison of GSM systems, explicit or implicit, and even less the caricature of a comparison that you are insinuating I meant.

    My intention was to say that with a 900/1900 phone, you get coverage in the US on the 1900 band, and in Europe on the 900 band, which was, correct me if I'm wrong, the intended goal. What is so quaint about that?

    PS: I'm French BTW. Not that you could know.
  7. #27  
    Originally posted by olivier101
    Probably I shouldn't even be answering, but I'm curious: what did you find "quaint" in my purely informative posting? Read it again. I'm merely correcting a mistake I made before. There is absolutely no comparison of GSM systems, explicit or implicit, and even less the caricature of a comparison that you are insinuating I meant.

    My intention was to say that with a 900/1900 phone, you get coverage in the US on the 1900 band, and in Europe on the 900 band, which was, correct me if I'm wrong, the intended goal. What is so quaint about that?
    Actually, the quaint comment was mock condescension at the idea that 'every country' could mean 'every European country'. I've a weird sense of humor, I suppose. Now that you mention it, though, it's a good thing you responded. I misread and you did say 1900. Je suis désolé. Pardon.
    PS: I'm French BTW. Not that you could know.
    Moi aussi (albeit a few hundred years removed and a smidge of Isleño and German). Moi, je suis Acadien, mais mon francais sucks.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Actually, the quaint comment was mock condescension at the idea that 'every country' could mean 'every European country'
    As I said, it was just a typo I had made before.
    Anyway, excuses acceptées!

    Actually Louisiana is a place I've always wanted to visit, but never got a chance to. And if Napoleon hadn't sold it for a mere $ 15 million, I wouldn't even need a passport
  9. #29  
    Originally posted by olivier101
    Actually Louisiana is a place I've always wanted to visit,
    It has its charms. I'd personally recommend sticking to the Acadian parishes, though. The rest is fairly typical American, except for New Orleans, which is typical for another planet.
    but never got a chance to. And if Napoleon hadn't sold it for a mere $ 15 million, I wouldn't even need a passport
    heh...well, I had a grad school friend who had the delusion of trying to stage a revolution and revert control, so maybe if his fantasies come through, you might not have to after all.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  10. #30  
    Originally posted by Toby
    heh...well, I had a grad school friend who had the delusion of trying to stage a revolution and revert control, so maybe if his fantasies come through, you might not have to after all.
    Vive le revolition!, Vive la France!

    (qui, je parle une petite peu francais aussie)
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