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    $399 with service activation? Holy cow that's pricey! And the color unit is supposed to be $599? Yikes! I'd hate to see the stand alone pricing!

    Then again, the Visor phone was stupidly priced when it first came out. (IMHO)
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    Treo is going to flop at these prices. There are a lot more compelling PDA/Phone hybrids on the market (more coming) that offer better features for the same price. And who the hell would want to view web sites on a 160x160 display?

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    How much was Handspring charging for the VisorPhone with activation when they first rolled it out? $499? $399? How much are they charging for them now? (Hint: Free with activation)

    I think the Treo has a potentially much, much larger market than the VisorPhone did, but I would have thought Handspring might have taken a cue from how little demand there was for the VisorPhone at its original price.

    I really hope they've padded a hefty profit margin into those prices, because I don't even see (smart) corporations buying into the Treo at $399 (or the color version at - my god - $599) in this economy, much less individual consumers.

    For $599 I'll take an iPaq and a $30 Nokia phone, thank you very much.. the integration the Treo offers is very sexy, but not that sexy.
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    Name one other Phone/PDA combo that is more compelling. There are not any. It has the most popular PDA OS in the world. It has all the wireless features integrated by Handspring (that means good integration). It has a keyboard. It has a great form factor. As for surfing the net at 160 X 160, that screen is fine for getting quick info from the web. If you want to casually surf the net or do some real research you probably won't be using a tiny screen at any resolution and expensive wireless minutes. And $399 is the same as the Kyocera. As for the $599 color device, that one is just too expensive to have a big audience.
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    Originally posted by utz
    Name one other Phone/PDA combo that is more compelling.
    I can think of several right now that offer the same or better features or are less expensive:

    1. Samsung I300
    2. O2 smartphone
    3. Kyocera smartphone

    Add to that a small list of cool device coming soon from Sony-Ericsson, Samsung, Palm's "Skywalker" PDA, and Microsoft "Stinger" devices. All of those will hit the market before Handspring's Treo. Besides, Treo's technology pales in comparison to all the really cool 3G stuff.
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    Originally posted by foo fighter
    1. Samsung I300
    499.99, no flip. Not at tightly integrated, AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK
    2. O2 smartphone
    I know very little about this one, links?
    3. Kyocera smartphone
    399.99, but chunky and also poorly integrated.

    ...also, both of these are CDMA, not GSM. I think GSM is better (but let's not turn this into yet another digital standard rant)

    All in all, the Treo rocks the casa, IMO. Of course, as you said, the landscape will be different when people can actually buy the thing..

    foo... are you in PocketPC land now? When are you going? Seems like you haven't liked anything in the Palm world for quite a long time.
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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    499.99, no flip. Not at tightly integrated, AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK
    It's still a better value, and offers a much sleeker eye-catching design.

    I know very little about this one, links?
    Can't post a link because the site that has the info on this device is down for some reason. It's currently a European device (runs on PocketPC). As far as I know, it will hit the US some time next year. But it is a much better looking device that offers more features.

    I posted a pic of it in this thread a while back:

    http://discussion.visorcentral.com/v...threadid=15591

    All in all, the Treo rocks the casa, IMO. Of course, as you said, the landscape will be different when people can actually buy the thing..
    Personally, I'm becoming more excited by these hybrid device than standalone organizers. It's the best of both worlds. Watch this space closely.

    foo... are you in PocketPC land now?
    Uh...no. I'm still in Palm land. Have been for over a year.

    when are you going?
    I didn't know I was leaving?!? Maybe when prices come down, the OS becomes more refined, more software becomes available, and if someone can shrink a PPC down to the size of a Palm M505. None of that seems likely to accur in the near future.

    Seems like you haven't liked anything in the Palm world for quite a long time.
    Probably because there hasn't been a compelling device from the Palm world (with the exception of the Clie 710/760) for quite a long time. Right now I'm using a Palm M505. It's a practical tool, but not a very exciting one. I'm holding out for OS5 (Palm/BeOS) generation gadgets. According to Palm's CCO Mike Mace...there is some very cool stuff coming over the next twelve months. I'm holding him to that!
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    Originally posted by foo fighter
    It's still a better value, and offers a much sleeker eye-catching design.
    Samsung: 4.90" x 2.28" x 0.82"
    Treo: 4.30" x 2.70" x 0.70"
    ...I suppose that it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. For me, it's color vs. form & software. I like the treo's design much better. I'm more willing to have a slightly wider device in exchange for thinness (I liked the Edge form, too, btw). Also, that 16 megs is pretty nice, given that it's otherwise unexpandable. I suppose I'll wait until the color comes out. (actually, I'll wait MUCH longer, since I won't be able to afford any of 'em).

    There's also the GSM vs. CDMA issue. Who knows..
    Personally, I'm becoming more excited by these hybrid device than standalone organizers. It's the best of both worlds. Watch this space closely.
    ditto
    Probably because there hasn't been a compelling device from the Palm world (with the exception of the Clie 710/760) for quite a long time.
    Well, for me, I guess that's the Treo.

    Didn't mean to scare you with the "when are you leaving?" stuff...
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    Originally posted by foo fighter
    Treo is going to flop at these prices. There are a lot more compelling PDA/Phone hybrids on the market (more coming) that offer better features for the same price. And who the hell would want to view web sites on a 160x160 display?

    At $599 for the color model, I would expect atleast a 320x240 or 320x320 display. And it better be viewable outdoors

    I gota give it up to Handspring. They have come up with a neat device. Real evolution and not a lame update of a device which Palm Inc. has been doing as of late.
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    I missed the specs saying it was 160x160. Can someone point out where that is stated for me?
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    Samsung I300:
    $100 more, dismal battery life (they include two batteries, which tells you something), and more fragile (no screen protection without a case).

    Kyocera 6035:
    Do I even have to comment? Bigger, worse screen, less wireless integration and apps.

    Others yet to come to market:
    We'll see what they hold. One of them could be a better value.
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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    ...also, both of these are CDMA, not GSM. I think GSM is better (but let's not turn this into yet another digital standard rant)
    GSM is great. Problem is: we're just now getting CDMA. It'll be a while for GSM to work it's way here. Of course, by then the Treo 270 will be free with service activation, so all may not be lost.
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    Originally posted by mikedemo


    At $599 for the color model, I would expect atleast a 320x240 or 320x320 display. And it better be viewable outdoors

    I gota give it up to Handspring. They have come up with a neat device. Real evolution and a lame update of a device which Palm Inc. has been doing as of late.
    PDABuzz is reporting that it is viewable outdoors, but isn't TFT. And HS isn't disclosing what type of screen allows this.
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    Originally posted by mikedemo


    At $599 for the color model, I would expect atleast a 320x240 or 320x320 display. And it better be viewable outdoors

    I gota give it up to Handspring. They have come up with a neat device. Real evolution and a lame update of a device which Palm Inc. has been doing as of late.
    From the FAQ:

    Q.Will there be a color version of the Treo communicator as well?
    A. Yes. We are working to deliver a color version of this product in mid-2002. The color version will have a similar size, shape and design as the monochrome version and will provide good visibility both indoors and out.
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    According to the GSMWORLD, GPRS allows always-on connection speeds of up to 171.2 kilobits/s. (http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/yes2gprs.html

    Ericsson's Website says that
    when EDGE technology is added to GPRS, these data rates will increase up to 384kbit/s. (http://www.ericsson.com/3g/how/gprs.shtml)


    And finally, Handspring's Web site says the Treo is software upgradeable to GPRS "upon availability" (http://www.handspring.com/products/t..._cat_name=Treo),

    which means the carrier must invest in the technology. AT&T is running tests on its GPRS network in Seattle as we speak. So the Treo has 3G capabilities via a software upgrade. Don't know if it matters on the graysacle model, but it will rock on the color model. Hope this clears things up.
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    Black_Dragon wrote:

    $399 with service activation? Holy cow that's pricey! And the color unit is supposed to be $599? Yikes! I'd hate to see the stand alone pricing!

    Then again, the Visor phone was stupidly priced when it first came out. (IMHO)


    Hmm. $399 sounds comparable to RIM's current offerings:
    • RIM 957, lowest price: $449
    • RIM 950, lowest price: $349
    • RIM 857, lowest price: $499
    • RIM Wireless Handheld 850, lowest price: $399


    The unit cost is trivial against Cingular's pricey nationwide service (VoiceStream isn't an option where I live). It's too bad a CDMA version won't be released simultaneously. Cingular's rates singlehandedly killed my interest in the VisorPhone. But while I'm not using a handheld of any kind at the moment, I'll probably bite the bullet and go for the Treo, Cingular notwithstanding.
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    My god, IT HAS RETURNED! Gameboy70..how the hell are you? Where have you been all these years? =)

    You aren't using a PDA?
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    Thanks for the welcome back, foo!

    I guess you could say I took a vacation from technology. I became tired of carrying my Prism around all the time. I still have it, but I haven't touched it in a few months. If I need to jot something down, I use a pencil and paper. Interestingly, I found that I only "need" to carry megabytes of data around with me when I make a habit of it; otherwise I don't miss it. I've reached a point in my life where I'd rather interact with live humans. The future, for me, is in relational thinking, not hardware.

    But the Treo is a more social form of handheld technology, and I carry a phone with me anyway. The Treo does virtually everything I've wanted a cell phone to do from day one.

    I'm not on the internet much these days, but I'll drop by here again later in the week. It's nice to plunge back in to the VC community again from time to time and re-acquaint myself with old friends -- especially you, Mr. Fighter.
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    And, where GPRS is available some things just don't work...

    Although the documentation says the VP supports up to 14.4k, I've an email from Handspring saying that "the limit for the VP is 9.6k".

    So, I guess the GPRS for Treo will not come so soon, or ever. GPRS IS ALREADY available in some of their markets, mainly in Europe (hey, and New Zealand too!)
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    Originally posted by freitasm
    Although the documentation says the VP supports up to 14.4k, I've an email from Handspring saying that "the limit for the VP is 9.6k".
    It may be that they're erring on the side of caution; a lot of GSM network operators don't seem to be up to speed with data, and only offer 9.6k.

    The network I'm on (Orange) will certainly support 14k4, but it's also an 1800MHz one, so I can't test it - I don't think either of the 900MHz networks in the US supports 14k4.

    However, I will be taking it to Germany this weekend, so I shall have a play there and see what I can manage to get out of it.

    You can, with modern phones and HSCSD, achieve 28k8 on some networks, or even 43k2 download with some European networks, but the VP certainly isn't promoted as having HSCSD (High Speed Circuit Switched Data).

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