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    Treo info now on www.handspring.com . Keyboard modal $399 other modal $599. Bad news both won't be available till 2002. See handspring for info and photos.
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    Originally posted by relton65
    Treo info now on www.handspring.com . Keyboard modal $399 other modal $599. Bad news both won't be available till 2002. See handspring for info and photos.
    ugh. another device that requires service activation with purchase. cya handspring.

    mc
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    Originally posted by mensachicken


    ugh. another device that requires service activation with purchase. cya handspring.

    mc
    I don't like that either... a US service activation is pretty useless to me...
    I still want the color TREO though... but not with a service activation.. and if the price with is alleready US$ 599 I can only imagine how many montly wages it would be without....

    Why not just sell them without the service activation for a decent price...
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    You can't blame Handspring for the service activation business model. It has been around since there was a service to activate. It is a good way to subsidize harware costs.

    Having said that, I think these devices are expensive, but I also think they are very cool. The size of them is really what is selling me so far. I will probably get one even though GSM in my area has pretty weak coverage.

    For $600 bucks the color version better have high resolution and good battery life. Even then $600 is getting into a very niche market. I hope they don't plan on selling very many.

    One interesting note. In the videos of Hawkins and the developers, they really make a huge deal about the keyboard. It is a nice feature, but hardly the main feature. On the website the graffiti model seems to be a footnote. Maybe they are putting too much hype on the keyboard.
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    Originally posted by utz
    You can't blame Handspring for the service activation business model. It has been around since there was a service to activate. It is a good way to subsidize harware costs.
    sure i can. who else am i gonna blame?

    essentially, what this means, is that i cannot buy one of these new devices. any marketing model that automatically excludes customers who want to buy your product isn't worth much, is it?

    before anyone jumps to HS's defence and says that i don't know that yet... "maybe they'll have service plans with non-usa companies", i'll point to the visorphone, which has been out for close to 11 months with no such plan in site.

    handspring's faq on the product hints at availability in canada, yet the site also clearly states "We'll be meeting your wireless needs with a variety of service plans from popular nationwide carriers" (emphasis mine). given the track record with the visorphone, i'm not holding my breath.

    toolkit, you mentioned offering it for a reasonable price without a service plan. in the faq it says the grayscale version will be us$549 without a plan.

    as for the size of the device, i wish there were some measurements of the screen size and not just the unit size. though a smaller device is nice, not at the expense of screen real estate, imo.

    mc
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    There are so many holes in your logic you must be Swiss.

    You say any marketing model that excludes people who want to buy your product isn't worth much...how the hell do you figure that? Are gasoline companies insane to have commercials run during primetime...they are selling to a particular market...people who need gasoline..who want gasoline to make their vehicles run. It is no different for these new handspring products. They are catered to people who want a mobile phone/organizer in one. If you simply want color get a prism, if you want dinky color with a crappy screen get a color palm.

    And last time I checked they were not excluding anybody..if you want one, you have to pay a little more without service. Its VERY expensive, but hey, they aren't for everyone.

    I myself am very impressed with what I see. The grayscale model is cool..but the color is what I am waiting for...and something I will have to save some serious $$$ for.
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    More than likely if you already have service and you're a smart consumer you already got some goods for signing up. Any company nowadays gives you $100-$200+ off retail for your hardware or other goodies for signing up, in the US anyway. I'm sure it's the same in Europe and other places (actually, I know it is, but I dunno if it's at the same degree).

    Just sign up, get your free $150 phone, sell it on ebay or whatever (they sell for near retail), and it's like you're getting it with activation. Yeah, it's a hassle, but that's what you have to do for a nice imported product.

    (Also, the VisorPhone is free with service activation.. does that mean if they charge ANYTHING without activation it's a ripoff?)

    The phone is expensive with activation; it'll come down, just wait if you can't afford it.
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    My Treo has more memory than I do.
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    Check out the specs. It's smaller than the m100!!
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    Okay. I like the Treo. I really do. But I've got two problems with it:

    1. The service activiation deal. Is Handspring assuming that there are people in the world that don't already have a service plan contract with a wireless company that they can't get out of? What if you've already got a GSM cell phone and you don't want to change your phone number? Any businessman like Hawkins who has 1500 contacts in his address book should know that no one wants to call all 1500 of those people to tell them he or she has a new cell phone number, just because they wanted this snazzy new phone. Not to mention the cost and inconvenience of reprinting business cards. They've got to work out some way for people who already have a service contract to simply renew it, or something. Add on a one year obligation from the date of Treo activation. That would be fine with most people, I'm guessing. Otherwise, at $549 for monochrome, you're pricing this thing way out of any useful range. Especially when you consider how much this thing is going to cost you every month. If I were HS, I'd be in serious negotiations right now with all the top Wireless providers, making sure there were reasonable service plans available. The current plans out there are the biggest reason the VisorPhone tanked.

    2. The thing is BLUE. BLUE, for crying out loud! What is it with Hawkins and blue? I know it's supposed to be just as professional and all, but that's a load of nonsense. The number one reason why I haven't already bought a Prism is the fact that it's that dorky blue color. The Treo's blue is less annoying, but I'm sure it will be worse in person than it looks on the web. The Prism sure is.

    Business people want black or grey. I know that sounds boring to most people, but it's the simple truth. Ask any umbrella manufacturer how many black umbrellas he sells as opposed to blue or any other color. Or luggage manufacturers. If the target audience for this thing is the mobile business professional (and it must be at this price point) you've got to offer a black option, or you are seriously limiting your sales.

    I suppose there's plenty of time for Handspring to rethink some of this. The VisorPhone trade-in sounds like a step in the right direction, though there are no details as of yet. Maybe people with VisorPhones can get the "with activation" rate? Meanwhile, I really hope HS has something else coming out in the interim for the Visor family. It wouldn't take much R&D to put together a nice revamp of the Prism, even in the same form factor (albeit in grey or black) but with a better screen and 16MB. Something to keep the power-hungry from jumping ship to Sony or Palm.
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    Originally posted by bigkahuna
    There are so many holes in your logic you must be Swiss.

    You say any marketing model that excludes people who want to buy your product isn't worth much...how the hell do you figure that?
    hmm. i dunno. seems pretty obvious to me. what part don't you understand?

    Are gasoline companies insane to have commercials run during primetime...they are selling to a particular market...people who need gasoline..who want gasoline to make their vehicles run.
    boy, i can't argue with that kind of logic! what are you talking about?! are you saying that people that drive don't watch commercials during primetime?

    They are catered to people who want a mobile phone/organizer in one.


    great! i'm their target customer. this is EXACTLY what i want.

    however, they will not sell the device at a reasonable price (i *do* consider $399 reasonable for the device) without activation. yet, they are not allowing me to get activation in my area (toronto). do you not follow the simple logic that the company has marketed a product (which i want), but which i am unable to buy at a reasonable price?

    And last time I checked they were not excluding anybody..if you want one, you have to pay a little more without service. Its VERY expensive, but hey, they aren't for everyone.
    put it into perspective: when the VP came out, it was $500 or something like that without activation. now it's $300 without activation. that is not a reasonable price for a module, no matter how you try and argue that it is. Canadians kept asking the company what was going on, when are they gonna make a deal with a canadian carrier so we can sign up for service and get the phone at the reasonable price. well, that never happened, which leads me to believe it won't happen with the treo either.

    mc
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    Mensachicken,

    If service providers in Canada, or anywhere else, don't offer the Treo to their customers it is not handspring's fault. I am sure Handsping wants to get this product into Canada, Europe, and Asia, they say as much on the website. If Handspring had its way the Treo would be offered by every GSM service provider in world.

    As a side note; it is expensive to make a cell phone. Even the cheapest "free" phone costs over $100US. I know this because I work in the cellular industry. We make a software product that goes into cellular phones, so we are very carelful that the price of our product takes into account the cost of building a cell phone. So charging an extra $150 for the stand-alone product is not out of the question.
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    Originally posted by mensachicken
    Canadians kept asking the company what was going on, when are they gonna make a deal with a canadian carrier so we can sign up for service and get the phone at the reasonable price. well, that never happened, which leads me to believe it won't happen with the treo either.

    mc
    Well, the Visorphone DID sorta tank, by most measurable means. Perhaps that's why you're not seeing it in your area. It could be a matter of them 'cutting their losses', ya know?

    If the Treo does better, then you're likely to see more aggressive saturation in various other countries/areas and with more companies.

    If it fails horribly, then this probably won't happen.
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