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    There's an interesting interview to a handspring representative who is talking about both the Treos, explaining price, availability and functionality, and of course price. He also says they are soft upgradeable and for I understood GPRS capable but need a soft upgrade for that.

    It's in the personal Tech part of the tech News section. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006.html?tag=tab
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    I do remember the original FCC info indicating flash upgradable. But I don't see any reference in this article to a GPRS pathway. Hopefully it is.
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    Five juicy points from that clip.

    Software upgradeable to always-on functionality when availible!

    Software upgradeable to GPRS!

    It will be relased in Q1 2002? My first reaction is that they feel immune to what happened to Palm and the m500-series announcement. The 500-series was delayed six weeks and nearly killed the company. Handspring is announcing 12 weeks out.

    Pricepoint. $399 for the first two untis not bad.

    Color model mid-year 2002! But $599?? How very PPC of them.

    No gaurantees here, but its always good to have new Palm OS devices rolling out.
    Last edited by slotmachine; 10/14/2001 at 02:21 PM.
    That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you.
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    I am pleased with the form factor of this device. It looked small enough to put in my pocket, but big enough to read the screen. I wish the price was a little lower (wouldn't it be nice if things were free.

    The biggest thing that this device has going for it is the Handspring name. I really believe that Handspring does the little thing that affect usability so well. Examples include the way the screen protector is integrated (this device looks tough, it looks like you can put it in your pocket with no worries). The fast lookup feature on the address book is another example, as well as the speakerphone. Of course none of these is necessarily unique to Handspring, but I just like the way they implement.

    Now a couple of questions:
    It looks like the supposed jog-dial is a volume control from this video. It there confirmation that it is a jog dial? I have only used to jog-dial in the store for a few minutes, but I love it.

    I was under the impression that 3G was meant to converge all the different standards. Is GPRS the GMS version of 3G, or is it what they call 2.5G. Any info on GPRS would be appreciated.
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    Slot,

    I saw the video and all I can say is hmmmm. So when are Palm OS 5 devices to appear?

    Treo looks nice but should be $299. Is it me or have Palm devices only matching PPC devices in price these days?
    -Mikedemo
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    GPRS is considered 2.5G as far as a Wireless WAN network Generation.
    Is the only 2.5 network, btw.
    It uses the same protocols of GSM, i.e. you will be competing with
    GSM users for airtime. (Actually, GSM is divided into 8 timeslots,
    and GPRS will use anywhere between 2 and 6 I think).

    Contrary to popular belief, GPRS network is ALREADY rolled out.
    (Look at VoiceSTream's Istream package and Motorola's GPRS phone on
    sale on the same website).

    I have used this phone, and use the GPRS functionality as a modem for my laptop and pocketPC. (no one has the drivers for my Prism).

    I get much better throughput than GSM on data mode and CDPD.

    I will probably buy the keyboard version as soon as it comes out (I want to make sure they can run the same apps that we wrote that use the SMS libraries from the Visorphone). I will stop using my RIM right away and may only consider switching to the Accompli 009 when it comes out, depending on the usability of it. Same goes for the color version.
    Right now, the modified 16MB prism with Visorphone and
    The Snap-n-Type is the best combination. Im trying very hard to get the phone keypad from Kensington so I can use my other modules and thank Handspring for finally releasing a 16MB backup module.
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    Originally posted by visorphoneman
    It's in the personal Tech part of the tech News section. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006.html?tag=tab
    huh? i didn't see any video. the only link with handspring in the title goes to the article written on the 11th. where is the link?

    thanks,

    mc
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    Hotsync connector?

    I can't tell from the videos, but it looks edgelike.

    And is that a battery cover there on the back?? Weird.
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    utz wrote:
    It looks like the supposed jog-dial is a volume control from this video. It there confirmation that it is a jog dial?
    Handspring's website calls it a jog dial
    Jog rocker with push select for one-handed navigation
    I love the fact that it has 16MB of RAM. Is Handspring trying to make that a standard? IMO they should.

    As far as price goes, I think they're competitively priced. Look at Kyocera's 6035a smartphone selling for $499 from Qwest.

    Just my opinion.

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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    And is that a battery cover there on the back?? Weird.
    Found it. For the SIM card. Yo.

    Anybody else think it's odd that the battery isn't replaceable? (is it??). Usu. with cell phones you can remove the thing and slap a fresh one in there if need arises.
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    Originally posted by mikedemo
    Slot,

    I saw the video and all I can say is hmmmm. So when are Palm OS 5 devices to appear?

    Treo looks nice but should be $299. Is it me or have Palm devices only matching PPC devices in price these days?
    MD,

    I share your cautious optimism. The dimensions are good, and the cnet and HS clips make the treo come across as an extremely handy device that you could fall in love with after a few days of use.

    But the screen size? It needed to small to keep the unit small, but is it big enough to satisfy the "enthusiast" who is most likely to pay $400? There could be a conflict there.

    Now what's going on with this Treo 270 @ $600?? $200 more for a color screen? I think they are putting out feelers to guage reaction to that price. [5 mins later] I just checked the price on that Samsung I300. It has a 240x160 hi-res screen and sells @ Sprint for $500. I guess they are not too far off the mark. But damn....
    That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you.
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    All I wanted to interject was that those videos
    had me pulling on my unit something fierce.
    I will be purchasing a Treo.

    Sonya, pass me a towel please.
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    that, sir, was totally uncalled for!
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    Will the Treo play mp3s? Does it support a removable memory format? any expandability?
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
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    I too came here looking for any mention of mp3 capability, since it has a headphone jack. 16 mb is kinda skimpy for mp3's tho...how about 32mb or 64mb with mp3 thrown in on the $600 color unit?
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    I must remind you all that an MP3 is ridiculous to request in an item meant for working professionals. Things like MP3 and color for gaming are things immature adolescents crave along with their gameboys and skateboards. Pompous *ssh*le you say? Well that I may be, but I am also a CEO of a well-known moderate-sized company. I admit color would be excellent if our technology was such that it would allow PDA usage of high-resolution finely detailed mapping, 3D-image scanning or anatomic charting or such but I am not naive enough to demand this now or even within the next couple years. Color for simple piecharts, graphs etc. are NOT necessary and akin to posting your street mailbox number in neon - eye-catching yes, but you may sit down now Miss McGilleycutty.

    With some hesitation and aye, even some chagrin I hereby refer you to a thread in which I was once again "moderated":

    locked by Hromodokomodo but at least HandSpring listened:
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    I too am a 42 year old working professional who, in addition to "serious" functionality, enjoys having fun. If we don't have fun in life, what's the point?

    My main interest in the color screen is for visiblity and clarity on such a small screen. Although, better gaming is a nice bonus! I would like to have color on that small screen, but not if it means a significant increase in size and weight.
    I recall not too long ago, people saying that color screens were totally frivolous for the IBM PC's in my company. I think it is easier on the eyes for people who look at a screen 8 hours everyday. There were also people who couldn't see the "need" for a graphical user interface either. "What's so hard about DOS commands?"


    Regarding mp3's: music, old-time radio shows and recorded internet broadcasts would be very nice to have on the road in my car or waiting in airports. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to add mp3 capability to the Treo since it already has a headphone jack.

    From a consumer's point of view, it's hard to justify an increase of $200 to only get a color screen. I noticed from other opinions in the forum, this seems to be the consensus.

    Perhaps if Handspring adds an additional "useful" feature or two, like mp3 capability, at a minimal cost to themselves, it might allow people like me to rationalize our desire to spend an extra $200 to get an easy to read color screen.


    In this life, I'm not going to discover the meaning of life or even if I do who will tell me that I got it right? Therefore, I might as well have as much fun as possible, as long as I do not hinder other people's opportunities for a good time.

    My Golden Rule.
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    Originally posted by hog
    I Pompous *ssh*le you say? Well that I may be, but I am also a CEO of a well-known moderate-sized company.

    locked by Hromodokomodo but at least HandSpring listened:
    You are kidding right? All along I thought you were a teenage geek with raging hormones. Weren't you the same guy that was getting sexually excited over the Treo? I wonder which company you are the CEO of...Hog Inc?
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    I wonder which company you are the CEO of...
    As if I would disclose such information publicly!
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    Same as the old boss"
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    ok guys keep it civilized!
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