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    Handspring would have a heck of a time selling anything without a springboard port. My guess, a port simmilar (if not identicle) to that of the Edge, allowing for upgrades at the price of bulkiness. IN regards to the edge, has anyone developed Edge specfic springboard cards for that yet?
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    Take a look at the photos, no springboard. Springboards go in Visors. These 2 new products are not Visors, they are made by handspring but for the forst time they aren't actually Visors.
    Alan Millar
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    I thought it was the Visor Treo?

    Anyway, I think that they might sell an edge-like connector SEPERATELY. I think it would cost around $30.
    -Bernie

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    Great way to stab the developers in the back - most of them can barely survive but this is sure to make sure they dont.

    Glad to see who they are really looking out for
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    Originally posted by TimberLake
    Great way to stab the developers in the back - most of them can barely survive but this is sure to make sure they dont.

    Glad to see who they are really looking out for
    Whoa! Remember these units appear to be targeted at a specific audience. Springboard developers, if that is who you mean, have an expanding base of HS users to whom they can sell their wares, and will. Plus, there has been no official word on either one of these units, so time will tell what they are really all about.
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    Originally posted by TimberLake
    Great way to stab the developers in the back - most of them can barely survive but this is sure to make sure they dont.

    Glad to see who they are really looking out for
    They are looking at their bottom line...they have yet to make a profit
    They are also looking ot for the consumers. I think these phones are a good thing. Diversification is always good. Besides..most Visor users don't use Springboards modules.
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    I assume this is going to be based on Palm 4.0 OS. I see the grafitti area but VC doesn't mention whether you can do everything with the Treo that I can do with my Deluxe.

    If this unit is a full blown PDA with a built in wireless phone and wireless internet/email, I think they would be putting their springboard developers in a bad spot. That means when I decide to upgrade my Deluxe to a Treo (and I will as soon as GSM is available in my area), I will never consider purchasing another springboard module and I will lose my backup module which I rely so much on (call it my security blanket).

    If the rumors are true, it seems to me this is a sign Handspring is abandoning the springboard technology and have found an end around to their promise to make all their "Visors" with Springboard Technology. Just stop making "Visors" and call them something else.
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    I agree with Maddog

    This is not a good thing for the Springboard developers and I would guess to say this may just make the decision for many developers wondering if they should continue to create modules for the Visor.

    I would say that even if they choose to continue to make Visors - this is a major warning sign to all developors - meaning there will be less then more modules to come.
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    I think that these are not targeted at the PDA user but the cell phone user who wants a PDA built in. And hopefully they will continue with the Visor line.
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    This looks like a completely different line separate from the Visor line which provides different features that functions than what the
    Visor line provides.

    Notice it has a keyboard. I don't see a stylus either, which may
    indicate there is no grafiti area.

    There appears to be different models too. One does not have
    the keyboard and looks more like a normal PDA. Too little information yet to start jumping out of the window.

    More information at:

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    Originally posted by krelvin
    Notice it has a keyboard. I don't see a stylus either, which may
    indicate there is no grafiti area.
    They've got 2 models, one kb, one not.

    I'll chime in here too and say there ought to be sb expandability. That said, if I weren't already hooked on my CF adapter, I'd buy this device in a heartbeat.
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    Originally posted by krelvin
    Notice it has a keyboard. I don't see a stylus either, which may
    indicate there is no grafiti area.
    Actually, if you could see the "Drawing of Treo k180's top", you could see that the end-view of the "k" shows the stylus next to the antenna. (I happened to have printed that page out before VC yanked, it and am looking at it now.) But the screen of the "g" has an obvious silkscreen graffitti/icon area and the screen of the "k" clearly does not and looks like 160x160.

    I hope the buttons are concave for use with a stylus. That's one (minor) gripe I have about the VDX. It's nearly impossible to click the up/down hard keys with a stylus.
    Jeff
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    I, too worry about the lack of springboard module, because now it becomes just like any other PDA company, and they are leaving the springboard developers hanging...
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    Uhhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, SD?
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    Originally posted by schvetkaaks
    I, too worry about the lack of springboard module, because now it becomes just like any other PDA company, and they are leaving the springboard developers hanging...

    Sony make Phones and Sony Makes teh Clie. Does this mean that deevelopers wont make peripherals for the Clie becasue SOny make phones? I dont see a need to worry about the Springboard dying. The Treo units are not Visors they are phones running Palm OS. Handspring is competing directly with the RIM pager and Kyocera phone (which is somewhat popular).
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    Originally posted by yardie



    Sony make Phones and Sony Makes teh Clie. Does this mean that deevelopers wont make peripherals for the Clie becasue SOny make phones? I dont see a need to worry about the Springboard dying. The Treo units are not Visors they are phones running Palm OS. Handspring is competing directly with the RIM pager and Kyocera phone (which is somewhat popular).
    However, what if the introduction of the Treo is an indication that the Visors are on the way out?? Perhaps Handspring feels that the Springboard module is not working...

    In any regard, I think if they develop a smaller scale Springboard system for the Edge (and hopefully future color Edge), they could probably quite easily implement it into the Treo, and if that were the case, put me first in line for a color Treo, keyboard version, with the springboard bay...
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    I wouldn't get too worked up about a PDA phone without a springboard slot. These are two different devices and if you want Handspring to survive, they have to offer a wide range of devices. Why would I want to carry around a PDA phone big enough to hold a spring board?! the Springboard alone is almost as big as my phone! Remember this is a PHONE/PDA. Many business users prefer the blackberry device (and are switching to it) because it does wireless e-mail AND PDA functions really well and they can thumb type a lot faster with the keyboard. If Handspring, and Palm for that matter, want to survive, they need to cater to lots of different user groups, not just the ones that love springboards.

    As a business user that isn't in one place very long (like most these days) it would be FANTASTIC to have a small enough phone/PDA that I could wear on my belt (like my Samsung 8500, sweet!) I would carry a slightly bigger device (but not too much bigger!) if it was in color, to get good Palm functionality. It is annoying to have to break out the Visor to get a number then punch in the numbers on the phone. This is a VAST UNTAPPED MARKET with no prominent players, but each PDA/Phone released out there gets closer to getting the formula right. When it does, the market will respond very positively to the winner. I also think that a Treo with an SD slot could be an ideal device - Don't Hurt Me!!!

    Springboard developers shouldn't worry, I am POSITIVE that Handspring must release new versions of the Visor handheld for those markets that don't want or need a phone. Look at it from the point of view that if the Treo makes Handspring profitable, then there will be MORE not LESS opportunities to sell Springboards. As for the alternative, focusing on a narrow market (Visors with Springboards) means CERTAIN DEATH for Handspring. Be happy that Handspring continues to innovate new devices, it is the only way to guarantee a successful future.
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    this treo keyboard looks almost identical to rim devices. the angle, the buttons are aligned, the keypad ergonomics, the way each button's shift chars are... etc.

    can we say COPY?

    also, indeed, GSM/GPRS is insanely complex and requires a LOT more CPU horsepower than what just a tiny palmOS organizer needs. it IS a cellphone. dont expect great battery life.

    i wonder how far in production theyre at with these... exciting.
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    Obviously the cell phone wireless internet market is bigger than the PDA market and Handspring has to go where the market is. It would be safe to say that most people who have a PDA also have a cell phone but not the other way around. Almost everyone I know (regardless of economic level) has a cell phone but very few people I know have PDAs. That said, I don't know any PDA users that do not have a cell phone.

    Since most PDA users would probably rather carry just one unit rather than two (assuming the Treo is a full blown PDA), it would be safe to say many Deluxe, Platinum, Edge, and Palm users might make the switch (price depending) to a combination unit.

    Therefore, if PDA users will move away from the "non-cell phone" PDAs and current "cell phone" users consider a Treo, the market for "Visors" and "Springboard" products will decline. It's a natural progression and I bet within two years very few PDAs will be sold without wireless internet and cell phones.

    Yes I would say the Springboard technology is already on the way out.
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    There is a market I think for a "better" RIM-like device. I've got both a Visor Prism and a RIM Blackberry 957.

    The email capabilities of the RIM are great, and I've grown to really like the thumb keyboard. However, it's PIM functions (address book, calendar, etc.) suck, and it's not really expandable in terms of programs, storage, etc. For example, there's nothing like Wordsmith for the RIM, and don't even mention the paucity of games available for blackberry devices. As a result, I end up carrying both the blackberry and the Prism, which is kind of cumbersome.

    If Handspring can marry the Palm OS with RIM-like email capabilities and the keyboard, I'd be very interested - particularly if it also features color. The whole phone angle is kind of secondary to me.
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