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    On the way into work I passed a VZW store and people were lined up outside in the cold. Guess they were waiting for the BlackBerry Storm.

    I dont see that happening for a new Palm phone. I know the Centro doesnt compare to a new BB, but I was at the same store back in June when the Centro was finally released on VZW and there were no lines.
    Last edited by miles4000; 11/21/2008 at 09:46 AM.
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    Yeah, they are practically a ghost in the market anymore. There's little cash available for R&D let alone an effective marketing campaign. Its like a backdoor operation now.
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    They should have let the carriers continue to market for them more. Sprint was doing a decent job for a while. The first Centro commercial was boring but some others were decent. No 800w to be seen anywhere though. No Verizon or AT&T Centro commercials either, except online. But not enough from Verizon. AT&T was decent but could have done a bit more.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    I have seen Apple stores with lines out the door, T-Mobile recently with the G1 and Verizon earlier. Never seen anything like that ever at Sprint.

    The 800 on the day of release was unknown to customer care specialists. I had called a few times. Luckily the part number was posted on the forum. Once I gave the part number to the rep she was then aware. The Treo Pro I am sure will the same.
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    Sprint's marketing IS lackluster and Palm doesn't know how to market period, but the Centro did pretty well when they did. They're going to have to pump up the Pro also.

    Honestly though, I can see why they didn't pump up the 800w too much. Despite design changes, it still looks very much like the same old Treo to me. The general public wouldn't be interested. Business customers sure, but Joe/Jane walk-in looking for something cute or cool, no.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    I remember seeing a VZW Centro commerical and today I just got a Sprint Catalog in the mail and the Centro is in it.

    I thinking more so when and if the new OS based stuff comes out. Will we see people lining up for it!
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    I think a lot of it is a problem of Palm's own making, it's a problem Windows Mobile in general has. As an aside I was surprised they cut marketing, mainly because I was surprised they -had- many people in marketing, much less salaried sales staff. As few phones as they've been producing there aren't that many customers to pitch.

    The problem that Palm and WM share is that they were so far ahead in the fancy-phone market, so long ago. Blackberry releases the Storm with its touch screen, it's big news (uh, 3COM days?). IPhone can view YouTube and play music (Kinoma). IPhone 3G has fast data (700*? Or at least the 755p, 800w). Browse the web (Blazer, PIE, Opera) and get email (Versamail, Outlook). EAS? (Versa, Outlook) IMAP4? (Chatter) Soft keyboard? Graffiti? GPS? WiFi? Really, until you get into the novelties, Palm's already done it, so any buzz they get has to be bought. Most of the application development died out years ago and other companies are just now catching up. They lost a lot of geeks to HTC for I suspect cost reasons, but that's the price of using a commodity OS.

    When WM got EAS I never figured out why it wasn't being advertised against the BB in the consumer marketplace, and after I found out about Chatter/Good I wondered the same thing about Palm, the whole Chatter app costs less than a month of BB add-on service! Yet everyone I know thinks BB is the only option for instant e-mail, or iPhone with EAS if they've been paying close attention.

    Unfortunately that means when someone comes out with an app for the iPhone that will identify music by audio, they talk about it ad infinitum on the radio, even though WM's had it forever. Why? If I could answer that I'd be in marketing. I will say that if Palm had kept on innovating after the Tungstens/Treos they would still be four years ahead, and likewise MS with WM. Unfortunately I have no vision so I'm not sure how that would look, but I'm sure it would be neat. Maybe the new POS is a couple years ahead of current stuff, but I also wouldn't be shocked to find it just another iPhone clone, i.e. two years ahead of two years ago.

    Off my soapbox now. I like my Palm devices because they are pretty rugged, but I'm not holding my breath waiting to get a decent Palm-branded replacement for my 755, or even my 700wx.
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    What's a viable replacement for the 755p everybody? In the event palm goes south and doesn't release nova powered devices in time, what device would you turn to?

    I'm on sprint currently.
    Bold, The blackberry curve, the storm, the iphone, samsung, or an HTC?

    I know some of those are offered on other networks, but I'd be willing to switch if one is a better solution than my treo.

    My 755 is lagging badly and losing data as a result of mysterious crashes, so a replacement is highly needed here.

    what will you do?
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    I'm holding on to my Centro for as long as possible. Since it was my first smartphone I'm happpy with its size as compared to somebady coming from a Treo. If Palm doesn't release anything new at this point I'm not sure what would be my next phone.
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    I've been in both of your positions several months ago and can tell you that there are plenty of good phones out there. But if you're asking about the very best, IMHO, the iPhone 3G and the Blackberry Bold still stand head and shoulders above the rest of the pack - the only catch is that they're both exclusive to AT&T. The G1/Android phone is stil a toddler and isn't yet ready for prime-time.

    Honestly guys, going with anyone not named Palm or Motorolla is a good move at this point...
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    tdcrone I think a lot of it is a problem of Palm's own making.

    You made some good points and I hope its not to late for Palm to learn from them.
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    I'm going to once again disagree with those plugging the iPhone as the near perfect smartphone. The iPhone is still very limited, they deleted or restricted too many current features for my liking. No MMS, no A2DP, no copy and paste, no open developement of apps allowed, no Opera allowed yet, no Flash, not even Flash-lite, no bluetooth(wireless period for that matter) sync with computer, etc. etc. etc.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    LT,

    No one's plugging the iPhone as perfect, or near perfect -- anyone who is is simply insane (go look up my past posts in the archives; I've been as vocal an iPhone critic as anyone). There are still times where I want to throw this thing across my living room, but I digress.

    I was just making the point that I would rather have an imperfect device that is supported by a financially viable company (meaning said device is sure to keep getting better) than to stick with Palm OS and pray for Nova to save the company.
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    Then I misunderstood your statement about the 3G iPhone being head and shoulders above the rest of the pack? If so, I'm sorry.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Nope, that was my bad; I worded it poorly.
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    The life of a cellphone is a about a year or 2 (max) with me. With apps, its often even shorter. Whether you buy a palm, WM, apple, or whatever, don't let the idiots scaring people daily about the economy influence your decision. Get what works best for you.

    As of right now, all of these are viable..yep, even palm. So what if they tank? Who cares? Your device will still work. And it will still do more than what most people have a use for. Still do more than what other "modern" OS's will do. Palm's problems aren't really a factor now for buying a smartphone..not yet.

    I think most get the message that people want to do multimedia which require better resolution screens, even all touch (and that yet others still want the treo kb). I think they get that people want a mobile browser that safari has set the bar on.

    The iphone has proven that people don't care too much about MMS, copy & paste, etc if everything else is done right. The Storm lacks wifi, but that's not keeping it from being sold out.

    There's room for palm to quietly make a device with an OS designed to fit its hardware. Even if people don't form lines to get it, if its good, it will sell itself. I'm also of mind it needs to be a virtual KB (that looks good) since they need that first product to be special. And finally, yes, history suggests palm lacks what it takes to reach this goal but we can only hope they've learned a few lessons or they will be bought up.
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    I'm sorry but people DO need to look at the possibility of lack of support. If Palm does tank next year, they could be left holding the bag should anything go wrong.

    And the time for Palm to have room is just about over. They allowed themselves to get steamrolled by everyone else. They will be late to the game even if they do come out with the new OS. It will have to jump over 4(5 if you include Symbian) other OSes to be successful. It could counter WM, but even then Exchange has a corporate advantage. They might as well forget about overtaking RIM in the corporate world any time soon, they bombed on that when IT departments gave up on them. As for on the consumer end, selling phones that crack within a month ain't good.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    The life of a cellphone is a about a year or 2 (max) with me. With apps, its often even shorter. Whether you buy a palm, WM, apple, or whatever, don't let the idiots scaring people daily about the economy influence your decision. Get what works best for you.

    As of right now, all of these are viable..yep, even palm. So what if they tank? Who cares? Your device will still work. And it will still do more than what most people have a use for. Still do more than what other "modern" OS's will do. Palm's problems aren't really a factor now for buying a smartphone..not yet.

    I think most get the message that people want to do multimedia which require better resolution screens, even all touch (and that yet others still want the treo kb). I think they get that people want a mobile browser that safari has set the bar on.

    The iphone has proven that people don't care too much about MMS, copy & paste, etc if everything else is done right. The Storm lacks wifi, but that's not keeping it from being sold out.

    There's room for palm to quietly make a device with an OS designed to fit its hardware. Even if people don't form lines to get it, if its good, it will sell itself. I'm also of mind it needs to be a virtual KB (that looks good) since they need that first product to be special. And finally, yes, history suggests palm lacks what it takes to reach this goal but we can only hope they've learned a few lessons or they will be bought up.

    I'd say don't let palm fanboy idiots influence your decision either.
    People who are concerned about the economy and how it affects businesses are not idiots, or fear mongors, they are realists. Some businesses will indeed fail, and palm is most definitely on the short list there. I think its wise to go with a product whose support will be there going forward. You may not find that with palm after they fail.
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    Nope, it's a bunch of chicken littles. The smart people recognize the economy moves in cycles and find ways to capitalize on it.

    These days i'm getting tired of seeing dumb posts by the chicken littles who seem easily influenced and determined that the sky is falling. The blind leading the blind so to speak and not just on this forum. Whether this is a violation of terms for this site, i'm not sure. So i won't post anymore about it. But that's my opinion and that's all i'll say about it.

    Worry when there's something to worry about. But enough of the premature funeral planning please. This is treocentral...not treodeathwatch.
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    We have to worry about what's happening NOW though, not what MIGHT happen in the future when the economy rebounds. I'm sure the economy will rebound eventually but there WILL be casualties. In the past who would have thought the big three automakers needed bailing out, for instance? All these bank failures and/or government takeovers are worrisome too.

    Will Palm get through the storm? We really don't know. Layoffs are often spinned as a good thing, but in reality it means they cannot afford to pay their staff, most of the time.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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