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    Ok, it's probably still a bit premature to let you know what is going on
    here, but neither do I want any further delays to be perceived as some kind
    of game as that was never my intent when saying I was working on some new
    stuff.

    First off, there are a few people on this forum who have known for several
    weeks what I've been working on, but who have been kind enough to honor my
    requests not to mention it prematurely.

    I have been reading the speculation with some interest - of course everyone
    wants the world, and I hope my repeated assertions that this would be a
    relatively modest announcement were not entirely overlooked!

    I decided that after running with DateBk for some eleven years (the first
    version appeared in 1997), it was time to throw out the code base and start
    over completely from scratch - drawing on all the knowledge acquired over
    these past 11 years as to what people want. DateBk was also inextricably
    tied to the Palm OS platform, the PIM databases, and the need to maintain
    perfect compatibility with the native Palm PIM database structures.

    It was also clear to everyone that tying myself to any specific platform for
    the future would be a poor decision. I must get 20-30 emails a day from
    people asking about iPhone, RIM, Windows Mobile, Symbian etc, desktop
    versions, etc. But trying to address all platforms is not exactly a trivial
    proposition either to say the very least!

    So what I've been working on LOOKS like a Desktop version of DateBk6 for
    windows, and in fact that IS and will be the first thing to come out from
    all these efforts. It's got some way to go before it's ready for general
    release, and if I had my druthers, I would probably have waited at least
    another month before even announcing it, but then again I think it may
    achieve suitable stability pretty rapidly once the basic bugs are out of the
    way.

    If you look a bit more closely though, you will realize that this is not
    just a version of Datebk for windows, but rather a completely new calendar
    application with new concepts and a completely new code base that shares
    nothing with Datebk internally. Of course, key ideas in Datebk are all
    present, but may work somewhat differently. It is not practical for me to
    rewrite this application from scratch for each platform, or to perform a
    huge 'port' to a different environment, so the entire application was
    specifically designed and written to be portable across multiple platforms.
    How well this works, we'll find out soon enough - as soon as the Windows
    version looks in good shape and the design frozen, I will work on the Mac
    and Linux versions.

    Of course, I also want to see this on handhelds too - but that will follow
    the desktop version.

    Some handhelds are going to handle this better than others. The iPhone is
    probably the biggest problem right now with Windows Mobile, Symbian and
    Blackberry looking reasonable to work with. As for Palm, most likely I will
    look at what Palm does with these new Linux-based devices coming down the
    pike in 2009 (assuming they appear) - it would be a good time to leave
    DateBk6 alone, and switch to Pimlical as the solution - using the native
    Linux port as the basis for running in that environment.

    Obviously I have looked at all these other handhelds, and also designed this
    application with the specific knowledge that it may run in environments with
    small screens that pose issues for the design of the GUI. But moving to such
    platforms will clearly involve more work as well. But having a new program
    written from scratch with the foreknowledge that has to be done makes a big
    difference in tackling that task.

    The application is tentatively named Pimlical. It's not available for
    download and won't be for a while longer until some basic issues are flushed
    out with a small group of testers.

    I may be expanding the number of testers by a SMALL amount shortly. There
    will no doubt be a few users who want to see what I've been working on, but
    I really want to stay focussed with just those people who are genuinely in a
    position to test the application and accurately report issues they find,
    including doing some detective work to isolate the problems. They must be
    willing to send me a copy of their database to look at (so if you are
    paranoid about even letting me have access to your data, kindly skip the
    request as there is nothing more frustrating to have a problem reported, but
    no way to reproduce it without the customer's data that they are unwilling
    to provide). You will also need to install the very latest version of the
    Palm Desktop (V-6.2) which, btw, can be made to work with all Palm devices
    using OS 3.5 or later (it doesn't work out of the box, but I have a program
    that modifies the installation to get it to work just fine with
    older/traditional Palm OS devices - I'll be releasing that shortly). So if
    this is something you have a huge urge to jump on - working with the V-6.2
    desktop is worth installing. Yes, it's not perfect and raises some issues,
    but some of those issues will disappear with Pimlical, so it's probably not
    that big of a problem...

    And finally, I will still ask the testers to refrain from posting any
    detailed information on this or any other public forum. It's too early to
    include detailed comments about functionality, when the functionality is
    still not locked in fully, and subject to significant change. I don't mind
    some general comments appearing and will attempt to answer them, but not any
    specific details. Once we get past the initial testing and have what I would
    describe as a reasonable beta preview, it will be made available. I am still
    working on the pricing - remember that the sole reason I am working on this
    is to support my wildlife conservation efforts, and so I won't be giving
    this software away (someone already asked if I was going to "give" this away
    to all registered DateBk users - I replied that it was a tad optimistic on a
    user's part to think I spent the last nine months working night and day to
    come up with a piece of freeware <g>.

    Yes, a lot (but not all) of the issues in DateBk are addressed in this new
    application (more than one alarm, ability to set separate timezones for
    start/end of an event, events that span multiple days AND can also repeat,
    full orthogonality in all views vis-a-vis all functions, drag/drop/stretch
    support in all views, due dates on floating events, priority and urgency on
    appointments as well as tasks, find/filter on all event attributes, template
    group insertion, 256 categories with multiple assignment etc. etc.). But
    such complexity does come at a price - it's a huge application - and just as
    a baseline, I had to duplicate virtually all the existing functionality in
    DateBk before even adding all the new stuff as well. Also, some of
    Pimlical's advanced functions won't be backwards compatible with DateBk - an
    issue that may make it impractical for some users to utilize those features
    initially.

    So that's where it stands right now - at least you now know where this is
    going - yes it'll probably still be several weeks before many more people
    can get their hands on a copy to look at, but when time permits, I will
    respond to any general questions on this forum regarding the functionality
    and its rollout.

    I know there are many people waiting hopefully that I would announce an
    iPhone version for release, but most people know that was most unlikely -
    there are very severe, almost insurmountablej, technical hurdles as well as
    marketing issues to overcome with that device.

    I am going to roll this out in the order which makes most sense from my
    perspective - a Datebk desktop has been requested for many years and will be
    useful to many users - perhaps even for some who have moved on to other
    devices but primarily keep their calendars on a personal desktop (Pimlical
    does not actually require that you have a Palm device). There are many
    interesting hooks that will be available early on that will make that a lot
    more practical than might appear on the surface right now too! More on that
    later.

    Have a good weekend - for me - just another weekend with 24 hours (well 36
    since it's labor day<g> of work

    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...k/message/81230

    Cheers!
    CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc
    1995- Newton Message Pad 2000
    1998- Palm V
    1999- Palm V8 (upgrade)
    2000- Palm m505
    2001- Palm m515
    2003- Kyocera 7135
    2004- Treo 600 (woc)
    2006- Treo 700p (wc)
    2007- Treo 680 (wc)
    2008- Another Treo 680 (wc) (unlocked)
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    My eyes glazed over after a while. Would you mind sharing the gist?
    * Stuck patches? Partial erase worked for me.
    * Stuck virtual keyboard? Partial erase AND folder deletion worked for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by west3man View Post
    My eyes glazed over after a while. Would you mind sharing the gist?
    Without making any comments about attention span ;-), CESD is working on a DateBk-like desktop application for Windows that will eventually be ported to Linux and Mac OS.

    It says that we will see this new application available for multiple platforms and that it includes the functionality of DateBk6 with improvements.

    Depending on the form of the new Palm OS, it could be ported based on a Linux environment OS.

    Notably, it also says that the port to iPhone is going to be a *****, if it can even be done at all.

    ~avid
    1995- Newton Message Pad 2000
    1998- Palm V
    1999- Palm V8 (upgrade)
    2000- Palm m505
    2001- Palm m515
    2003- Kyocera 7135
    2004- Treo 600 (woc)
    2006- Treo 700p (wc)
    2007- Treo 680 (wc)
    2008- Another Treo 680 (wc) (unlocked)
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    I hope it will be an Outlook Killer for WM devices. Why should we have to sync with Outlook for WM devices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdaneophyte View Post
    I hope it will be an Outlook Killer for WM devices. Why should we have to sync with Outlook for WM devices?
    I'm not a Windows Mobile user, but I've considered making the switch. What you've described is the kind of thing that makes me more hesitant.

    I don't use Outlook and have no real need to, at this time. That may change, but I don't want simple PIM syncing to be the cause of that need - especially since Outlook costs money.

    I feel that, when I buy a device, such as a Treo, it should come with everything it needs for at least basic functionality. To me, syncing is a basic function. I shouldn't have to buy more software just to achieve basic functionality.
    * Stuck patches? Partial erase worked for me.
    * Stuck virtual keyboard? Partial erase AND folder deletion worked for me.

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