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    Palm CEO Ed Colligan says the company's long-awaited operating system of the future will center around the Internet, and be distinct from the familiar Palm OS that's currently available.

    Palm has been somewhat tight-lipped about the future of its operating system development, but Colligan gave an interview to APC in which he described the "Nova" OS as a "next-generation operating system with much more capabilities, driven around the Internet and Web-based applications." Nova will be based on a Linux core and is scheduled to arrive next year.


    Palm CEO Ed Colligan shows off several Treo smartphones, which are running the increasingly ancient Palm OS.

    (Credit: Palm)
    The idea is to return to what made Palm successful in years past, and what is making Apple's iPhone successful at this juncture: the development of a complete system, including hardware, software, and links to the outside world via the Internet or the desktop PC. Palm lost control of its operating system when it split from PalmSource in 2003, and it is still using a four-year old operating system on its Treo and Centro smartphones.

    Colligan isn't going to make that mistake again. But it's not clear what Palm will bring to the table in terms of user interface, which was the big breakthrough that Apple made with the iPhone.

    Designing a new smartphone around the Internet in the late 2000s isn't necessarily innovative; it's a basic requirement. The real innovation in handheld computing is around how people interact with their computers, and we'll have to see what Palm cooks up in that regard when Nova is ready next year.

    Palm will continue to release devices based on the classic Palm OS, Colligan told APC. The Centro, a bright spot for Palm amid the troubles of the past year, will continue to use the classic Palm OS to help keep that phone at around $99. And Palm will also continue to pitch Windows Mobile Treos for business customers even after the release of the new operating system, he said. Nova will be used on something in between a Centro and a Treo, but the company has yet to decide on the naming convention for that new category.

    While it's been a rough couple of years for Colligan and Palm, he remains optimistic, drawing on the experiences of many of his current colleagues when they worked at Apple.

    "So just looking at Palm's situation today there's no logical reason, in a market with this kind of growth opportunity and the dynamics that are happening and how quickly things change--and again you could look at Apple and the iPhone as something that's come out of nowhere, essentially, and changed the dynamics of the smartphone space--there's every opportunity to do that in our case as well," Colligan said.


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    I like it!
    Waiting for Palm Pre on AT&T then can replace my iPhone. Needs Doc To Go and Flash

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    I wonder if we are gonna be able to update our 680s, 755ps and Centros when Nova comes out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Truthfully, he doesn't really give out any new info.
    I disagree.
    • Centro Line = Garnet only devices, low-end consumer
    • Nova = prosumer devices (non-Treo); smartphones and non-smartphones
    • Treo= WM & enterprise only

    We’re going to continue to look at those three line areas – consumer, prosumer and enterprise. Treo is today more of our mainstream prosumer product which is extended into the enterprise, but over time you’ll see some branding work done on the top two to make sure they’re really well delineated.
    Re: Nova
    ...and we’re working on some very exciting new devices to go with it.
    Centro is our consumer line of products, the start of a product line to hit that demographic and price point” Colligan says. “Centro will be strictly Palm OS.
    He basically outlines their strategy and plans for devices with 3 OSs. It's interesting to see that the Treo looks to go exclusively for enterprise and WM. It's also interesting to note that Garnet will only be on the Centro line and that we can possibly expect more devices that are "Centro".

    It's better to read the actual interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    I disagree.
    • Centro Line = Garnet only devices, low-end consumer
    • Nova = prosumer devices (non-Treo); smartphones and non-smartphones
    • Treo= WM & enterprise only


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    I agree with what you said... although, I doubt if they will be able to impliment anything if they don't get it in gear....

    Seems google is testing their "nova os killer."

    http://www.phonemag.com/android-demo...-io-052952.php

    http://i29.tinypic.com/qx1aw9.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I agree with what you said... although, I doubt if they will be able to impliment anything if they don't get it in gear....

    Seems google is testing their "nova os killer."

    http://www.phonemag.com/android-demo...-io-052952.php

    http://i29.tinypic.com/qx1aw9.jpg
    Interesting... I'd thought Android wasn't a touchscreen OS.
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    This actually confirms about my predictions on Palm's future in my PA article http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmad...bility-be.html

    Happy that slowly we are seeing signs of life for the Foleo
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulls96 View Post
    This actually confirms about my predictions on Palm's future in my PA article http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmad...bility-be.html
    Please upload your videos in something the majority of people can use... post it into youtube (I like youtube for that purpose).

    Happy that slowly we are seeing signs of life for the Foleo

    Foleo was always a good idea... but not for the price vs. specs. I loved the base idea... after I had time to think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    Interesting... I'd thought Android wasn't a touchscreen OS.
    Oh, the android has the potential to kick **** and take no prisoners.

    If they come out with a Treo clone that works, palm might be in serious trouble. Well, that is if google can get these things on any networks... and how fast can they ramp up production to serve someone like sprint or even an altel. Not to mention a verizon or att.

    I've not tracked it that close to see exactly where they are at... I've seen some nice youtube videos on the android though... seems like they were close many months ago....
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    I'm rooting for Android and it looks like Google is moving along nicely. I'm hoping to see the same spirit as with other Google apps like GMail and Talk, clean, sophisticated design as opposed to flashy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sivan View Post
    I'm rooting for Android and it looks like Google is moving along nicely. I'm hoping to see the same spirit as with other Google apps like GMail and Talk, clean, sophisticated design as opposed to flashy.
    No offense, but I'd like for google to do something much better than gmail, talk, etc.... My opinion is that google has some nice stuff, but most of it comes off as slightly unfinished. Only thing at google I use on a regular basis is google search... which I've used for years.

    Google gets mad props from me with the 1 gb mailbox move... that was a game-changer. The email itself was not all of that... I guess mainly because I hate those labels and a bunch of other stuff to get us off topic.

    At any rate, google does have the potential to really knock this out the box... that is what I'm hoping they will do. A true game-changer.... even if they may ruin the device with their search and other stuff already installed (or ruin it another way).... (I think google is starting to get antsy with all these properties and projects they have not making much money... but that is another topic as well... lol)

    Point is that if google happens to have a killer OS, treo design (or "look"), and the major carriers pick it up, then palm could be in serious trouble.... Relegated to the high-end devices running WM and those shtay centro devices that don't make much money. But in the centro, google could pick up new customers... plus, the centro "type" device will start to get competitive with wm 6.1 standard, and other players move into the market (nokia, pantec, samsung, htc, etc, etc...).

    This time next year will be very interesting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    No offense, but I'd like for google to do something much better than gmail, talk, etc.... My opinion is that google has some nice stuff, but most of it comes off as slightly unfinished. Only thing at google I use on a regular basis is google search... which I've used for years.
    The strength of Google is not in software that's why you feel the software slightly unfinished.


    Point is that if google happens to have a killer OS, treo design (or "look"), and the major carriers pick it up, then palm could be in serious trouble.... Relegated to the high-end devices running WM and those shtay centro devices that don't make much money. But in the centro, google could pick up new customers... plus, the centro "type" device will start to get competitive with wm 6.1 standard, and other players move into the market (nokia, pantec, samsung, htc, etc, etc...).

    This time next year will be very interesting....
    OS by itself is useless. The most important things are software. Although a lot of companies signed up for the OS, I don't see any incentive for them to implement. IMHO, the reason of signing up is if the OS success, they can build the me too device. If it fails, it costs nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFONG View Post
    The strength of Google is not in software that's why you feel the software slightly unfinished.
    Interesting... I've always thought of google as a "software" company.




    OS by itself is useless. The most important things are software. Although a lot of companies signed up for the OS, I don't see any incentive for them to implement. IMHO, the reason of signing up is if the OS success, they can build the me too device. If it fails, it costs nothing.
    Very true... you hit on another very good point... google has to have software that works... they MUST have a great email application... some type of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc apps. Even better if the email app works with exchange...

    Although, I'm thinking they are working to have the device sync with their online products... docs, email, calendar, etc...

    I think it will fall a bit short since most people will be looking for google's phone to be an "iphone." I'm not sure if google can jump that high. Would be great if they did though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    Interesting... I'd thought Android wasn't a touchscreen OS.
    Here is a vid...





    Also, it seems like they are close to launch...

    Google is saying htc (more than likely) will release a device the 2nd half of this year:

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=206903637

    Wondering how testing will go with the new OS... interesting to see when the first google phones roll out.

    http://androidguys.com (good links there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Oh, the android has the potential to kick **** and take no prisoners.
    Potential is the key word, here. I agree with those that have qualms about Google's software. Much of it they've simply bought from 3rd parties (shades of Microsoft). The user interface for Gmail is a confusing hash of disparate elements. Threaded email is nice, but that and tons of free storage are about the only positive things I can say about it.

    Android is nothing but a big "IF" right now. As is Palm "Nova." Time will tell, and anything we say now is speculation. Mostly uninformed speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    Android is nothing but a big "IF" right now. As is Palm "Nova." Time will tell, and anything we say now is speculation. Mostly uninformed speculation.
    Mostly uninformed speculation? Maybe on the Nova, but with the Android you can watch videos of the device in action... that is not "mostly uninformed speculation." I've been watching those for months.

    For Nova, I agree with you.... that is why I've not said much about nova.... , there is nothing much to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Mostly uninformed speculation? Maybe on the Nova, but with the Android you can watch videos of the device in action... that is not "mostly uninformed speculation." I've been watching those for months.

    For Nova, I agree with you.... that is why I've not said much about nova.... , there is nothing much to say.
    True. Palm seriously needs to at least demo the OS in emulation by the end of next month to stave off some of the wave of iPhone 2 defections. Google arguably has the freedom to demo at will, since they're not currently tied to a spec from any carrier, so they can get pimp Android to the max before signing on carriers. Palm is still taking orders from the sinking ship called Sprint, a carrier who may usher in a turnaround at Palm's expense with the Instinct.

    Those videos were awesome. I had no idea that Google had come so far with Android so soon.
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    What I want to know is if the new Palm OS will be able to run the old Garnet Apps. Since they stated the Garnet OS will be continued to be used in low end devices will there be any further development of that as well as the new OS?


    The Android OS looks pretty refined in those videos and kinda reminds me peronally of what the New Palm OS should look and operate like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLD_HATCH View Post
    What I want to know is if the new Palm OS will be able to run the old Garnet Apps. Since they stated the Garnet OS will be continued to be used in low end devices will there be any further development of that as well as the new OS?
    I've seen palm os apps on iphone, if I'm not mistaken... so it seems that palm can build some type of emulation into their OS.


    The Android OS looks pretty refined in those videos and kinda reminds me peronally of what the New Palm OS should look and operate like.
    I agree with you, but I do have a comment:

    That is the MAJOR problem... Nova *needs* something like what apple brought out the gate with the iphone... something new and breathes energy into the company.

    If Android is just like nova (or very close to it) nova looks like a copy. Period. Android will be on a device for sale by Dec of this year.... Nova will be on a device for sale no earlier than April 2009.

    That is why I keep saying that if someone produces a Palm Treo "clone" it could be all over for palm.

    What is palm going to release, a slider? Wow, how ingenious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Nova *needs* something like what apple brought out the gate with the iphone... something new and breathes energy into the company.
    Actually, I'm not sure they do. That's what they tried with Foleo, and discovered that unlike Apple, Hype does not triumph over Function with their market. Palm have only rarely produced the individual, big, stunning innovation, rather their success is based on being more boringly useful and practical in all the little ways than their competitors.

    Nova needs to work more than it needs to be shiny.
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