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  1. #21  
    Wow. Fantastic work. Not to get off topic, but the 800w is looking more and more like my next device...I'd like to get a more specific time table on the new PalmOSII device first, though...

    Can you cough anything up on that? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Centro is actually built by Inventec with a lot of internal design done by Palm. Palm is also using Chi Mei Communication Systems (CMCS) for newer CDMA devices in 2008 instead of HTC. But when it comes to FCC filings, Palm files under their name if the device is OEMd but not if it's a straight re-brand (ODM)

    Now, who will do the 800w? Good question I'm hoping Inventec does the 800w or at the very least, all the hardware gains in terms of quality, translate over to the 800w.

    But if the "Zeppelin" is the 800w then you know it is not a re-brand, but a Palm designed device, which is what I would expect.
    Your always dropping all kinds of knowledge in here, definitely good stuff bro . I agree that the build quality on the Centro is excellent, Inventec actually did a really good job on it.

    I believe "Zeppelin" is most likely the 800w because what else could Palm have on deck? The 800 series is definitely up next to bat for Palm. I highly doubt Palm would let someone else design the 800w as the Treo is their flagship. That would be extremely stupid on their part.
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    Interesting stuff indeed!

    Yes, the 500v is the OTTO - Vista even sees it as 'PALMOTTO' when you sync it.

    I didn't know the 500v was made by ASUS (I have one and it's a beautifully made device). That might explain why it took everyone by surprise when it was released. Remember the "It's not the Centro" comment just before it was released?

    Does this mean that if ASUS (or someone else) makes the 800w it could arrive by surprise too?
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    Did someone save the GSM Centro article before it was pulled? I somehow missed it entirely...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skfny View Post
    Did someone save the GSM Centro article before it was pulled? I somehow missed it entirely...
    Same boat as you. Or someone at least have the leaked photos?

    If I remember correctly doesn't the Asus OEM have WiFi on their device? Did we ever find out if Palm disabled it or did they just take it out all together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodycape77 View Post
    Same boat as you. Or someone at least have the leaked photos?
    The leaked photo can be found at Palm Infocenter. The only thing that looks different is the AT&T specific apps...
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  7. #27  
    Great work Malatesta and sooooo very very interesting and Exciting! ;-)
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    If only the co-locating radios were for the new POS.

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  9.    #29  
    Glad everyone is enjoying the evolving Palm mystery caper Let me try to catch up with everyone's questions...
    Quote Originally Posted by phrogpilot73 View Post
    Please, please, please tell me that your 100% confirmed/trusted source has said the GSM Centro will be here before the end of January. My 650 is getting LONG in the tooth and limping along, and I'm holding out as long as I can!
    Sorry, not 100% confirmed. My source was specifically for the Foleo/Zeppelin project name issue, but nothing else. From what I understand, a lot of Palm's team operate independently of each other, so they are all not privy to current projects.

    But, like I mentioned I feel confident that the GSM Centro will be here early next year. Definitely wait for it--the Centro from a 650 is a magnificent upgrade
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650 View Post
    ...I'd like to get a more specific time table on the new PalmOSII device first, though...

    Can you cough anything up on that? lol
    Oh I wish I could! Honestly though, I don't know any more than what is currently "out there" on the 'net That's not me being coy either, lol--I just don't have info.

    I actually don't have much insider info and I'm not withholding anything either...
    Quote Originally Posted by untouchablez View Post
    I believe "Zeppelin" is most likely the 800w because what else could Palm have on deck? The 800 series is definitely up next to bat for Palm. I highly doubt Palm would let someone else design the 800w as the Treo is their flagship. That would be extremely stupid on their part.
    I agree 100% with all of this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stig View Post
    Does this mean that if ASUS (or someone else) makes the 800w it could arrive by surprise too?
    Glad to hear you like the 500v--I'd like to get my hands on one as it looks quite nice. What you mention could happen, theoretically. But as mentioned above, it is highly unlikely that Palm/Sprint would release their flagship WM device as a simple re-brand. And if "Zeppelin" is the 800w, then it is definitely a Palm device in and out.
    Quote Originally Posted by skfny View Post
    Did someone save the GSM Centro article before it was pulled? I somehow missed it entirely...
    It was completely pulled and was originally posted by PalmDoc on his blog. I have been unable to find a cached version...not even the Way Back Machine.
    http://palmdoc.net/?p=1381
    http://palmdoc.net/?p=1382
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodycape77 View Post
    If I remember correctly doesn't the Asus OEM have WiFi on their device? Did we ever find out if Palm disabled it or did they just take it out all together?
    It was never confirmed which specific device it was of Asus, so the idea that Wifi might be there or was removed is ambiguous.

    Having said that, looking through the FCC test report on the Treo 500: no wifi mentioned anywhere. So no FCC, no Wifi.
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    Do you know if it is Sprint or VZW that will get the 800w first? More interesting questions would also be in filings of the 800w or Zeppelin did you see anything mentioned about Wi-Max?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodycape77 View Post
    Do you know if it is Sprint or VZW that will get the 800w first? More interesting questions would also be in filings of the 800w or Zeppelin did you see anything mentioned about Wi-Max?
    Yeah, that's the million $ question...Sprint or Verizon 1st? No idea.

    Re: WiMax

    The actually FCC filing is under wraps for "Zeppelin" so no details. My thinking on Wimax: no evidence that it will be in any phones, per se. In fact, there is talk of Sprint splitting off XOHM as a separate company altogether for both management and billing. Although latest reports are hinting at a Q1 2008 launch for XOHM (same time as the 800w), I don't see anything to suggest it'll be in the 800w or any upcoming Sprint phones. Rather, I think XOHM will be a paid, monthly service for Wimax equipped devices--laptops, digial cameras, UMPCs, etc.

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  12. #32  
    Interesting. I think I remember reading the list of leaked devices for VZW that the 800w was suppose to be this quarter or something. So it could still be first for VZW or by some chance on both networks at the same time like the 700p was(I think?).
  13. #33  
    I think Palm should move to a third world country where costs are cheaper and they can get away from the demands of carriers to be able to innovate and put in what matters. As far as I'm concerned, Palm is being choked to death by all the carrier restrictions. I'm just dreaming though
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    Quote Originally Posted by manilenio View Post
    I think Palm should move to a third world country where costs are cheaper and they can get away from the demands of carriers to be able to innovate and put in what matters. As far as I'm concerned, Palm is being choked to death by all the carrier restrictions. I'm just dreaming though
    But why does it seem that Palm is the only company that complains about those restrictions?

    Seems to me they know/knew what they were getting into when they started this whole Treo thing.

    Now, I realize that Im sure there are other manufacturers that may complain but, it seems to me they complain the most.

    Maybe they need to shut up and get back to the design table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hdhntr23 View Post
    But why does it seem that Palm is the only company that complains about those restrictions?
    orly?
    Q- Engadget: Do you feel like working with some of the US-only standards -- or even more specifically, with some of the very domestic-minded American carriers -- is a very distinct business challenge for you? Something that you have to look at from a completely different approach from the rest of everything that you do?

    A- Peter Chou, CEO HTC:
    Yes, the US is quite different. US mobile operator behavior is very different. They are very powerful. [Chuckles] They are quite controlling. .... Device certification is very strict because there is a lot of quality and reception problems, so US standards and requirements are very high. So over time we have come out with US-specific versions and designs in terms to meet with all sorts of US requirements. So that's definitely painful.
    Or read this article posted by Hobbes where it's one giant complaint from RIM about how they can't do half that they want...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hdhntr23 View Post
    Now, I realize that Im sure there are other manufacturers that may complain but, it seems to me they complain the most.
    Really? Does anyone have any quotes directly from Palm on this issue? I was always under the impression they said zilch about working with carriers.

    Anyone prove me wrong?

    But I will say this: carrier control appears to be at least starting to wain, so I think we'll see some "more features" coming out.

    If you want controlling though, look no further than how AT&T crippled the GPS on the new BlackJackII and Moto Q9h, just like Verizon did with the new BB and on and on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Really? Does anyone have any quotes directly from Palm on this issue? I was always under the impression they said zilch about working with carriers.

    Anyone prove me wrong?
    I believe that either Ed or Jeff made the comment that the Foleo would be nice because they would be able to implement their own features, and not ones the carrier wants.

    If I can remember where I saw it, then I will snag it.
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    Thanks Mal!

    Has anyone heard the code name "Jet" ? it was mentioned as a Palm phone coming to Bell mobility in Canada in the fall but did not arrive.

    Some speculation is that the Centro(cdma) is on the way either this month or next, but Jet doesn't ring a bell for me - unless it's a name used internally by their testers.

    I know it's not the 755p - since Telus has an exclusive on it here, and I don't for a second expect Bell to get a new Palm device like the 800w so close to it's launch.

    my Treo650 is on it's last legs... and my fingers are cramping from being crossed for the last 2 years... lol
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    Reading about this thread here over at PalmInfocenter, this line in the PIC article caught my eye...

    With this modem bearing "685" nomenclature and (mostly) superior specs, it would also seem to be a not-so-subtle sign that the current Treo 680 is set for termination.

    Anyone able to clarify just what the "(mostly) superior specs" refers to? Everything I'd read said that the next model coming to GSM was essentially a 680 in a Centro form factor--much like the Centro's reviews describing it as a smaller 755p.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    orly?

    Or read this article posted by Hobbes where it's one giant complaint from RIM about how they can't do half that they want...
    http://discussion.wmexperts.com/show...6&postcount=14

    Really? Does anyone have any quotes directly from Palm on this issue? I was always under the impression they said zilch about working with carriers.

    Anyone prove me wrong?

    But I will say this: carrier control appears to be at least starting to wain, so I think we'll see some "more features" coming out.

    If you want controlling though, look no further than how AT&T crippled the GPS on the new BlackJackII and Moto Q9h, just like Verizon did with the new BB and on and on...

    hahaha oops!!!

    well maybe its me just only reading the Treo forums. sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q View Post
    Reading about this thread here over at PalmInfocenter, this line in the PIC article caught my eye...

    With this modem bearing "685" nomenclature and (mostly) superior specs, it would also seem to be a not-so-subtle sign that the current Treo 680 is set for termination.

    Anyone able to clarify just what the "(mostly) superior specs" refers to? Everything I'd read said that the next model coming to GSM was essentially a 680 in a Centro form factor--much like the Centro's reviews describing it as a smaller 755p.
    Here are some basic differences
    • Higher res camera: 1.3 vs VGA
    • Higher PPI: 221 vs 160 (in fact the Centro has the highest PPI on the market)
    • Faster memory
    • Better/Louder Speakers
    • BT 2.0 + EDR (though POS technically only support 1.2)

    This notion that the Centro "is just a 755 in a smaller form factor" is only on paper. In that sense, they look quite the same.

    In reality though, very different. The Centro is a internally redesigned Palm phone and its guts are quite "new". This results in a much improved user experience:
    • Better BT (new BT Manager 3.3a + radio hardware)
    • Very sharp screen
    • Fast OS: boots and loads programs faster
    • More stable OS (no crashes, lags, etc.)
    • Surprisingly good battery life (except for those few with some "bug")
    • Loud, clear speaker phone

    Then throw in Docs to Go 10, pTunes Deluxe and a bunch of other apps and the device is quite superior. Might not be enough if you just bought a 680--but if you have one of those and switch to the Centro, you'll notice a host of performance improvements.

    It's odd: with this new hardware by Inventec, you would think that the OS was "fixed". As I've said before, for a Garnet device, this is as good as it'll get and is near perfection (relatively). It is faster and more stable than a 650, which goes to show that the OS was never really "broke" but the hardware was never optimized properly in the past.

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