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    I had a 600 and now have a 650 (have had it a few years and really really like it) but am now thinking of upgrading.

    As I am based in the UK, my options seem to be:

    1. 680
    2. 750
    3. Wait for a newer GSM/Palm OS device that is more of a leap from 650 than the 680 (is this likely to happen soon?)
    4. Wait for a newer GSM/WM device that improves on 750.

    I am not sure about leaving Palm and going over to WM but I think lots of people are saying that this is the way to go in the long term.

    What would you do?! What should I do?!
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    you can wait for ever and ever, and there is always something better comming. Buy what you need today. You choice is between 680 and 750.

    I choose multitasking/3G because i want to be able to remotely control a customers server while talking to them on the phone. But the 680 is nice too, and it is cheaper.
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    Hi dg252,

    I'm in the UK too and was in a similar position (Treo 600 --> Treo 650) to you last year. I looked at the options and ended up going with a Nokia E61. It's been a great device. 3G, Wifi, completely stable (no crashes in the 5 months I've had it). Good set of built-in apps and good third-party replacements for third-party Palm apps I most used.

    I thought about and looked at the 750v but Vodafone data costs were just too high. I went with T-Mobile - unlimited data (capped at 1 gig) is just 7.50 per month.

    Here are some E61 reviews:

    http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Nokia_E61.htm
    http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/6656.html
    http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/July2006/3286.htm
    http://www.osnews.com/story.php/1484...0-3rd-Edition/
    http://www.my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_e61.php
    http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3093
    http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12408
    http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Page=1&Id=2548
    http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...Nokia_E611.php

    If I were in you I'd either go for the E61 now (free on a contract) or wait for the E61i. The E61i isn't a great upgrade on the E61 but it does add a camera (the E61 doesn't have one) and a much better Office suite (Quick Office).

    E61i: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu...1i_Preview.php

    Hope this helps.
    Last edited by marcol; 03/08/2007 at 08:22 AM. Reason: So last paragraph makes sense
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    does the nokia E61 have threadded sms?
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    I'd get the unlocked 750 w/ t-mobile service. I like the 750, I can't wait until we CDMA folk in the US get a device like it (slightly lighter, internal antenna)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ion++ View Post
    does the nokia E61 have threadded sms?
    Sadly (and ridiculously) not. There is this third party app:

    http://www.ehandysoft.com/coolsmschat.htm

    but its only for S60v2 and won't run on S60v3 devices like the E61. An S60v3 version is supposed to be on the way:

    http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack...schat_a_s.html

    but who knows.

    On the plus side, the E61 does have an equivalent of the 'Quick Text' function on the 650. If anything I think I'd miss that more than the threaded messages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g-funkster View Post
    I'd get the unlocked 750 w/ t-mobile service. I like the 750, I can't wait until we CDMA folk in the US get a device like it (slightly lighter, internal antenna)
    This is how I see the pros and cons of 750 vs E61/E61i:

    750 hardware pros

    Touch-screen (even though it means some apps rely on it and thus aren't fully operable without a stylus and it reduces clarity in sunlight, I'd still call this a plus. It speeds up some tasks, especially picking one screen item from among many).
    HSDPA.
    Narrower.
    D-pad (better than the E61 joystick; E61i drops the joystick for a D-pad).
    Camera (only an advantage over the E61, not the E61i).

    E61/E61i hardware pros

    Wifi
    Higher-res screen (50% more pixels).
    Bigger screen.
    Bigger keyboard.
    Thinner.
    E61 is slightly lighter (E61i is the same weight as the 750).
    Higher capacity battery (1500 mAh vs 1200).
    Speaker on the side.
    Casing is metal.

    OS pros and cons. Not to stir this one up too much, but I'll just say I find the S60v3 UI to be a tad less quick and intuitive than the Palm UI, but simpler and quicker than the WM5 UI. None of the three UIs will win any beauty contests, but I find the S60v3 the most attractive of the three. The Palm UI is pretty dated looking and, especially at 240x240, I find WM5 a bit cluttered.

    Stability: I've not used a WM5 device long enough to make any assessment, but my E61 has been stable. Not mostly-ok, only-crashes-occasionally, needs-the-occasional-reboot-when-it-slows-down stable, but 100%-crash-free, no-reboot-required stable.

    Software pros and cons. There are pros and cons to the bundled software packages for the devices which I won't go into in this post, which is already too long, but it's important to note that there's undoubtedly more third-party software for WM5 than for S60v3. If you're going to go with the E61 you'd want to be sure your needs are covered before you commit.

    Cost. E61 is free on a T-Mobile contract and even unlocked it's the best part of 200 cheaper than an unlocked 750 (which is 429 on the Palm UK site).
    Last edited by marcol; 03/08/2007 at 09:23 AM.
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    I went with T-Mobile - unlimited data (capped at 1 gig) is just 7.50 per month.
    Does every civilized country get cheaper data rates than Canada? (still at a whopping $100 for 250mb...)
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    Wait until after Hawkins speaks at D5 in May. He's promised us something yummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rener View Post
    Does every civilized country get cheaper data rates than Canada? (still at a whopping $100 for 250mb...)
    I think even the uncivilized countries get better rates than that.
    "'Form follows function' that has been misunderstood. Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union."
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    dg252, I would first say to you to evaluate your needs in a mobile device before looking at models. Once you have an idea of what it is that you do use your device for, and what you would want to use it for that increases productivity, then you will be able to make a better choice as to where to move, if to move, to a new device.

    From there, you have either the 680 as the PalmOS device to choose, or a slew of Windows Mobile and Symbian devices to choose from. If you are not looking to purchase in the next minute, and have nothing but time and a relatively good budget, I would recommend continuing to save, and then popping for the best device you can afford without going with a contract.

    In my personal opinion, if you can save for it, get the N95. Its probably a better "upgrade" device than most others out now. If you can wait a few months, there will be something(s) else, but you would have had the benefit of looking at the devices in terms of what you need, versus just getting new because it is there.
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    I think even the uncivilized countries get better rates than that.
    So true...
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    I went from 600 > 650 > 750 as did my wife. After 2 months she really wasn't too crazy about WM5 so we got her a 680 instead.
    Now I have a 750, she has a 680.
    This is a classic example of how different people will prefer different operating systems.

    I stick with the Treo 750 because:
    1) I want 3G, of which I live in a 3G area and can use it.
    2) I like the web browser and available web browsers (IE built in, Opera mobile, Opera Mini (you have to add java to your phone), netfront, etc.)
    3) I really like the multitasking

    She stuck with PalmOS because:
    1) She likes the calendar, notes, tasks, contacts manager better and did not like the Microsoft versions of these at all.
    2) Used to the PalmOS because it's much easier to use.
    3) Doesn't care about 3G, multitasking, or most of the things you can do on WM5 that you can't do on the Palm OS.

    Between the two I think the Treo 750 is the way to go. But if you really like PalmOS, then stick with the 680.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hair View Post
    Wait until after Hawkins speaks at D5 in May. He's promised us something yummy.
    Palm promised us wi-fi on the 650 too. They also promised it for the 600 I think. That being said, I am anxious to see what he's got.
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    If your phone can last for half more year, I think it's reasonable to expect that there will be a 320X320 version of the 750.

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