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    In Palm's most recent quarter, overall revenue is down 12%. But Treo shipments are up 42% over a year ago.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12...nings_q2_2007/

    Here's the part I found interesting though:

    "R&D expenditure rose from $31.2m a year ago to $42.2m in the period ending 1 December."

    Hmmmm....just what are they spending so much R&D money on ? Hardware R&D ? Or does that pay for all their Linux programmers we keep seeing ads for ?
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    Sprint Treo 900P Development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    Sprint Treo 900P Development.

    I Believe!!!!!
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    (You know me so well.)
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    More like licensing fee for the POS 5.
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    Licensing is a money saver over time and wouldn't go under R & D but somewhere between expenses or investments.
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    The R&D should be getting and influx from Microsoft --

    Or, the cost of purchasing the GarnetOS was extremely expensive

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    I sure don't know WHAT they're spending all that R&D money on, since Palm seems to think changing the * to a bell is a significant development. Maybe they've built several hundred thousand prototypes with different keyboard layouts to see which will cause the most confusion when introduced on the next Treo.
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    The cost IIRC was $44 million.....as a one shot deal in perpetuity......as opposed to paying 10's of millions of dollar per year.

    Who knows what the license fee but is, for the sake of argument, let's say $15 and let's say, again just for ballpark purposes, 50% of Palm's have the Palm OS.

    2.4 million Treos x 50% x $15 is $18 million a year.....in 2.4 years pays for itself....and that covers Treos only....no PDA"s..... no [unamed draft choices to be named later] products which Palm has been hinting at.
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    Its even faster. Palm was obligated to pay PalmSource $42 million this year. Now they dont have to. Payback time = 1 year.

    Surur
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    They have a lot more varieties of Treos than ever before... radios, models, OSs... and they have to be customized for each carrier. That's a lot of development work.
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    Qick accounting lesson. The acquisition of a software license isn't booked as an expense, but as an asset. R&D is charged as an expense as incurred, although leading academics and prefessionals believe it should be capitalized as an asset, but that's a whole nother story
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    revs down because of ? starting to sell these devices cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.....that only lasts so long.
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    It's all Hawkin's fault!!!!! Can't wait to get my hands on this $42 million device!
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    They have a lot more varieties of Treos than ever before... radios, models, OSs... and they have to be customized for each carrier. That's a lot of development work.
    The R & D for those devices though was not done in this fiscal quarter. R & D expenditures this past quarter would for Treos we will see in 2007 or later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    I sure don't know WHAT they're spending all that R&D money on, since Palm seems to think changing the * to a bell is a significant development. Maybe they've built several hundred thousand prototypes with different keyboard layouts to see which will cause the most confusion when introduced on the next Treo.
    My guess ....... Palm OS 7.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post
    The R & D for those devices though was not done in this fiscal quarter. R & D expenditures this past quarter would for Treos we will see in 2007 or later.
    Development work on those devices is ongoing. Customization for scores of carriers for product launches (which still continue), software updates, and then continuing ROM updates for each carrier. And new devices will have to support multiple radios, OSs, and carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post
    The R & D for those devices though was not done in this fiscal quarter. R & D expenditures this past quarter would for Treos we will see in 2007 or later.
    You can't really say that with any certainty. I'm sure that Palm has various labs/techs working on all issues, including recent implementations on devices (within the quarter).
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    http://management.about.com/cs/gener.../resanddev.htm

    Research and Development refers to the line on an income statement showing the amount of money a company has re-invested during the period to find and develop new products
    .

    http://www.investorwords.com/4200/re...velopment.html

    R&D. Discovering new knowledge about products, processes, and services, and then applying that knowledge to create new and improved products, processes, and services that fill market needs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_development

    In general, R&D activities are conducted by specialized units or centers belonging to companies, universities and state agencies. In the context of commerce, "research and development" normally refers to future-oriented, longer-term activities in science or technology, using similar techniques to scientific research without predetermined outcomes and with broad forecasts of commercial yield.
    The definitions above would preclude the activities described. Servicing existing products, such as MS providing bug fixes for XP is not R & D. Warranty repairs is not R & D. Adding a different splash screen for a new carrier is not R & D. The words "future oriented" , "without predetermined outcomes", "find and develop new products" speak against these categorizations. Anything post RTM is not R & D, it's support and maintenance. And if they did it in the 3 months prior to December 1st, it's definitely not for a product we can hold in our hands today.

    Of course that's not to say that bean counters might not be tempted to move a few dollars from here to there a la Computer Associates. But existing products and "future" products are handled by different design teams. One is eligible for tax credits, the other no. Tax credits are offered for R & D for the specific reason that there is a risk that these things may never come to market and there's an unknown ROI. How would one claim a R & D tax credit for say removing some conflict or crippled functionality in an existing product ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post
    http://management.about.com/cs/gener.../resanddev.htm

    .

    http://www.investorwords.com/4200/re...velopment.html



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_development



    The definitions above would preclude the activities described. Servicing existing products, such as MS providing bug fixes for XP is not R & D. Warranty repairs is not R & D. Adding a different splash screen for a new carrier is not R & D. The words "future oriented" , "without predetermined outcomes", "find and develop new products" speak against these categorizations. Anything post RTM is not R & D, it's support and maintenance. And if they did it in the 3 months prior to December 1st, it's definitely not for a product we can hold in our hands today.

    Of course that's not to say that bean counters might not be tempted to move a few dollars from here to there a la Computer Associates. But existing products and "future" products are handled by different design teams. One is eligible for tax credits, the other no. Tax credits are offered for R & D for the specific reason that there is a risk that these things may never come to market and there's an unknown ROI. How would one claim a R & D tax credit for say removing some conflict or crippled functionality in an existing product ?
    I do suppose that it would be hard to do R&D on a device and introduce it the same quarter (especially with Palm hahahaha).

    Regardless, I think you're speaking over the heads of the majority of people in this thread. Not everyone has the benefit of having business degrees, certs, and experience to even know what you're talking about. I sure do love all of this (which probably explains my 2 accounting degrees and sitting for the CPA exam).
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