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    I am with Sprint, who I HATE with a passion,they ahve awful customer service, they do not have a repair depot in my county. So it requires a 120 mile round trip to get a repair.



    I would like to know if there is a 750 "p" in the making. The 750 that apparently is coming out soon or is alreay out is a "w" based phone, which means crappy screen resoluation.

    Any info would be GREAT.

    Take Care, Jay
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    I think one of the features that make a 750 a 750 is the next gen data. Garnet cannot support UMTS or HSDPA, therefor my conclusion is that there will be no 750P. The next version of the "P" Treo that will support next gen data will be an ALP based or other Linux base device.
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    Thank you for the promt answer, however do you think you can tell me that in english and not in tech talk? thanks again, take care, jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
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    The 750 series is supposed to be able to support the new high speed networks from each carrier (Cingular, Sprint, etc.). Palm OS does not support the high speed network (UMTS / HSDPA) that Cingular and T-Mobile will eventually have all over their networks. However, the next version of Palm OS that comes out is supposedly based on a different operating system (Linux / ALP) and that operating system supposedly support UMTS / HSDPA.
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    I highly doubt it. 700wx is 750 basically.

    Let's say Treo repackage 700wx with EVDO Rev A and MAYBE A2DP (huge maybe) with the same PalmOS, and release it next fall, they would call it something higher than 750.

    All the phone carriers are engaged in this model number war so the new phone has to have a higher number.
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    Why is it that Garnet can not support UTMS? bluetooth theoretically has faster speed than UMTS. USB has faster speed, and wifi available on non treo palm devices is faster yet. So why is it that UMTS is not supported?
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    Here's a post I made in this forum before that explains it:

    "For this pre-emptive multi-tasking is needed. That is where one process can get time from the kernal no matter how messed up another app is. Palm OS only goes co-operative multi-tasking. This is where one app asks for time, but if another app is hosed, it's request will never be seen.

    UMTS provides and requires simultaneous voice and data. There is no way this can be provided without a true pre-emptive multi-tasking kernel. I hate Microsoft and don't particularly like WM5. But some people need to get over this, the current Palm OS will NEVER be able to do this. The underwilling kernel and application execution architecture needs to be redone to enable this. I'd love for this to happen but I don't see it. Access is focused on ALP and Palm is rumored to be working on a linux solution. But it won't be the Palm OS.

    For anyone that still thinks there's a chance, go out and get a 700p (I have one). EVDO doesn't require simultaneous voice and data but provides high-speed data. In low signal areas, it's not uncommon for sudden lags to appear in various apps. I'm convinced that what is happening is the app/OS is pausing while the radio is trying to deal with the lower signal. There is no way this is going to work for simultaneous voice and data.

    Sorry to sound harsh, but like Scotty in Star Trek says "Captain, I can't change the laws of physics!". "

    Quote Originally Posted by ion++ View Post
    Why is it that Garnet can not support UTMS? bluetooth theoretically has faster speed than UMTS. USB has faster speed, and wifi available on non treo palm devices is faster yet. So why is it that UMTS is not supported?
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    Rev A is going to cause problems for future garnet EVDO devices also.

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis View Post
    Here's a post I made in this forum before that explains it:

    "For this pre-emptive multi-tasking is needed. That is where one process can get time from the kernal no matter how messed up another app is. Palm OS only goes co-operative multi-tasking. This is where one app asks for time, but if another app is hosed, it's request will never be seen.

    UMTS provides and requires simultaneous voice and data. There is no way this can be provided without a true pre-emptive multi-tasking kernel. I hate Microsoft and don't particularly like WM5. But some people need to get over this, the current Palm OS will NEVER be able to do this. The underwilling kernel and application execution architecture needs to be redone to enable this. I'd love for this to happen but I don't see it. Access is focused on ALP and Palm is rumored to be working on a linux solution. But it won't be the Palm OS.

    For anyone that still thinks there's a chance, go out and get a 700p (I have one). EVDO doesn't require simultaneous voice and data but provides high-speed data. In low signal areas, it's not uncommon for sudden lags to appear in various apps. I'm convinced that what is happening is the app/OS is pausing while the radio is trying to deal with the lower signal. There is no way this is going to work for simultaneous voice and data.

    Sorry to sound harsh, but like Scotty in Star Trek says "Captain, I can't change the laws of physics!". "

    And people always used to say, "What's the point of multitasking on a mobile device?", now you see why.

    To the OP, basically, if you want high speed on a GSM network, you need windows mobile. And if you want a high speed GSM Treo, then you need a 750. You should at least go have a look at a 700w or wx, the resolution thing may not be as bad as you think. If you don't need high speed data access, get a 650 or 680.
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    Yeah, the 680 is really the 750 "p". The Palm OS is dying. It is too out of date, and its lack of support of UMTS/HSDPA is a real failing. I know after moving to UMTS with its simultaneous data and voice connections, I couldn't go back to GSM/GPRS. That and its lack of proper multitasking really shows its age.
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    If the 680 was on Sprint/Verizon with a EVDO antenna, it would be a 750p. I don't forsee one on the GSM network with the current PalmOS since it can't do the needed multitasking for UMTS.
    Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p > Treo 700wx -> Mogul -> Touch Pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi View Post
    The 750 series is supposed to be able to support the new high speed networks from each carrier (Cingular, Sprint, etc.). Palm OS does not support the high speed network (UMTS / HSDPA) that Cingular and T-Mobile will eventually have all over their networks. However, the next version of Palm OS that comes out is supposedly based on a different operating system (Linux / ALP) and that operating system supposedly support UMTS / HSDPA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis View Post
    Here's a post I made in this forum before that explains it:

    "For this pre-emptive multi-tasking is needed. That is where one process can get time from the kernal no matter how messed up another app is. Palm OS only goes co-operative multi-tasking. This is where one app asks for time, but if another app is hosed, it's request will never be seen.

    UMTS provides and requires simultaneous voice and data. There is no way this can be provided without a true pre-emptive multi-tasking kernel. I hate Microsoft and don't particularly like WM5. But some people need to get over this, the current Palm OS will NEVER be able to do this. The underwilling kernel and application execution architecture needs to be redone to enable this. I'd love for this to happen but I don't see it. Access is focused on ALP and Palm is rumored to be working on a linux solution. But it won't be the Palm OS."
    If the requirement is only for PHONE and DATA to co-exist simultaneously, then this doesn't seem to be a problem. Many existing Treo models (600, 650, etc.) permit applications to run during voice phone calls. My understanding is that multiple data applications cannot run simultaneously on Garnet, but this does not seem to be necessary.

    In practice, what I want is UMTS-speed web browsing with PalmOS. (I don't want Windows on my phone because of the stability problems, user interface ugliness, lack of PalmOS application compatibility, etc.) The 700p does a fantastic job of this for CDMA users. A phone with a UMTS-capable radio (such as the radio in the 750v) running the exact same version of PalmOS as the 700p would be my ideal device.

    Any reason this can't be done?
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    Your understanding is wrong. Both voice and data are simultaneously transmitted and most be real time decoded and handled by the device. Existing Palm OS devices do not do this.

    This isn't optional. A device cannot support UMTS and only support certain configurations to work and other not. There must be a pre-emptive multi-tasking kernal to support the multiple process threads need to handle voice and data. If this were possible it would already have been done. This same problem is doing to prevent support of EVDO-A also which allows simultaneous voice and data. There is a reason that the new 680 doesn't support UMTS.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLar View Post
    If the requirement is only for PHONE and DATA to co-exist simultaneously, then this doesn't seem to be a problem. Many existing Treo models (600, 650, etc.) permit applications to run during voice phone calls. My understanding is that multiple data applications cannot run simultaneously on Garnet, but this does not seem to be necessary.

    In practice, what I want is UMTS-speed web browsing with PalmOS. (I don't want Windows on my phone because of the stability problems, user interface ugliness, lack of PalmOS application compatibility, etc.) The 700p does a fantastic job of this for CDMA users. A phone with a UMTS-capable radio (such as the radio in the 750v) running the exact same version of PalmOS as the 700p would be my ideal device.

    Any reason this can't be done?
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis View Post
    Your understanding is wrong. Both voice and data are simultaneously transmitted and most be real time decoded and handled by the device. Existing Palm OS devices do not do this.

    This isn't optional. A device cannot support UMTS and only support certain configurations to work and other not. There must be a pre-emptive multi-tasking kernal to support the multiple process threads need to handle voice and data. If this were possible it would already have been done. This same problem is doing to prevent support of EVDO-A also which allows simultaneous voice and data. There is a reason that the new 680 doesn't support UMTS.
    SO....unless palm creates a new OS, it will be relegated to slower connection speeds and continue to be marginalized in the "fast" smart-phone market?

    I'm so disgusted that I'm going to have to try a Windowz OS...I've heard so many bad things about them
    Apple iPhone 8GB
    Apple 15" Macbook Pro 2.33 Ghz C2D
    Retired Treo 650
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacUser View Post
    SO....unless palm creates a new OS, it will be relegated to slower connection speeds and continue to be marginalized in the "fast" smart-phone market?

    I'm so disgusted that I'm going to have to try a Windowz OS...I've heard so many bad things about them
    Try it. Those bad things you've heard about Windows Mobile are probably things that were present in Pocket PC 2003. I used to be a PalmOS fan, but after switching to Windows Mobile 5 in June, I haven't looked back.

    Don't make snap judgements on things you've never tried YOURSELF.
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    Yes, unfortunately. That's why I got a 750v to try. I really want Palm OS, but the 750v is the WM5 device I've tried (and I've tried a lot). But it's still a big change compared to Palm OS Treos.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacUser View Post
    SO....unless palm creates a new OS, it will be relegated to slower connection speeds and continue to be marginalized in the "fast" smart-phone market?

    I'm so disgusted that I'm going to have to try a Windowz OS...I've heard so many bad things about them
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    I think I read on this site, that Palm has asked permision to the new owners of Palm software to be able to adable the Palm OS fopr their own needs. This would keep the platform alive and allow for adaptability specialised for the treo line.

    I have two problems with going with the MS line:

    1. the lower resolution and

    2. the palm phones from all of the reviews I have read, are much easier to use as a phone and a PDA, meaning there are less steps and it is more straight forward, in comparision to MS platform treos. My hope is that Palm, either does get the rights to adapt the software itself or buys back the platform, so it can do all of the OS writing itself!

    What do you all think?

    Take care, jay
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    I think you should try one of the WM5 based Treos first then see where to go from there. What I see here on TC too much are people talking about "problems" that WM5 has when they haven't even tried it themselves. Many of these problems people think WM5 has were things that were present in Pocket PC 2003, but have been fixed in WM5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi View Post
    Try it. Those bad things you've heard about Windows Mobile are probably things that were present in Pocket PC 2003. I used to be a PalmOS fan, but after switching to Windows Mobile 5 in June, I haven't looked back.

    Don't make snap judgements on things you've never tried YOURSELF.
    Well, in part, you are correct. Based on my experiences with Windows on a PC, I have totally attributed my disgust for Windows on a PC to their mobile counter-parts. My other issue is that I obviously run Mac OS X and am skeptical how well I'll be able to sync a WM device with my laptop.

    Personally, I was going to try to hold out till January 07 to see if an Apple iPhone comes out and if not, I'll be forced to try a WM device.

    Does anyone use a Mac and have a pleasant experience with a WM device?
    Apple iPhone 8GB
    Apple 15" Macbook Pro 2.33 Ghz C2D
    Retired Treo 650
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