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  1.    #1  
    Well the time has come ..... I have a Treo 650 with KeySuite and Calllog+ amongst other things and love the usability to bits ....

    BUT why oh why can't Palm produce a thinner model?

    I have been hanging on to see what the 'new' Treo's will be and whether they would fulfill my wish for a thinner model - but from what I can see the sum total of however many years of R & D have come up with exactly the same form as the 650 less the antenna ! Personnaly I would rather have kept the antenna and got a thinner handheld!

    So I ordered the new Samsung i-320 WM device - like the Q but smaller still. Should arrive today and I will post a review when I have got it.

    Immediate concerns I have:

    1) I prefer the Palm OS - have used WM many times and ALWAYS end up coming back to the Treo - this is my third now .. having briefly dabbled with C500, MPX 220, PDA2k, hp 6515.

    2) It runs WM Smartphone - so some issues with categories I believe - it doesn't sync Task and Calendar categories - if I can't find a work around to this - that will be a killer.

    3) No equivalent to Chapura's calllog+ - this is a REAL jem of software that I only discovered a few months back - but it syncs the Call log from your treo into the journal on Outlook allowing full audit trail of calls and conversations. I run the sales force of a national Financial Services firm in the UK and it is really key to me to be able to record notes from calls and on occassions simply prove calls were made! - really need this functionality.

    So I will have to see how it goes for now - will post review soon.
  2. #2  
    You jump out the ship because of the Treo ugliness

    I am carrying two devices at the moment : one for practicality , the other for your eyes satisfaction

    I have been jumping all around, nothing can beat this Palm OS
    I would rather pay for data usage cost than having a WM5 with wifi
    I would rather hold a brick than a slim slow symbian OS
    Last edited by esatyawan; 07/31/2006 at 03:43 AM. Reason: typo
  3. #3  
    I saw this a few months ago and it looks like a great phone. It's pretty close to what the next Treo SHOULD be. I would have this right now except it doesnt have the 850 band which makes it pretty useless in the US.
  4. #4  
    Definitely worth considering. palm just keep on losing usually devoted customers.
  5. #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen.Gazard
    Well the time has come .....

    So I ordered the new Samsung i-320 WM device - like the Q but smaller still. Should arrive today and I will post a review when I have got it.

    Where did you order it from??
    Treo's days are numbered."Some unknown device will kill it soon ".
  6. #6  
    Love to hear your feedback.

    I'm also interested in Samsung i-320, I heard a version of it doesn't have a camera and it doesn't have Wi-Fi but with same width & height as Treo and half the thickness it sounds the prefect size for me.

    You are lucky enough to live in UK which means you will have first chance to get Vodafone GSM Treo with Wi-Fi and rumoured thinner form factor in September.

    I have Treo 600 and no Vodafone GSM Treo due for Australia, we're likely to have the Ashes back before we get a new Treo ;-)

    I like the i-320 but it looks boxy ugly even if it is thinner, the Nokia e61 even looks better and thats saying something.

    Other questions you might be able to answer for me.
    What's keyboard backlight like? (does it have one?)
    How good is landscape screen? think it might be better than 240 x 240 screen on new Vodafone Treo
    Can you only get to mini-sd card by removing battery?

    Cheers
    VikingBrad
  7.    #7  
    Okay so here goes - first of all the one I have is going back !

    Let me explain that - the one I have been sent has the AZERTY keyboard layout rather than QWERTY.

    I ordered it from Pixmania (a french company hence the AZERTY layout - despite the website showing QWERTY) - they are checking if they have UK spec model - but I have a feeling they don't - I was surprised that Expansys (which is where I buy most of my hardware from had been beaten to it - now I know why!)

    Anyway - had a chance to play around with handset yesterday and I have to say - I will definitely get it when in QWERTY format.


    I would descibe myself as a 'real life' user of handheld technology - I run the sales force of a national Financial Services firm in the UK and relish the ability to check my schedule, deal with tasks, hold my complete Outlook contact database on my handheld, log my mileage and of course the killer - wireless email.

    I currently run a Treo 650 and love the usability of the device .... I have used WM many times but ALWAYS end up coming back to the Treo !

    Brief handheld potted history .... Psion 3, Psion 5mx, Palm III, Palm V, Psion Revo, Nokia 9210, Nokia 9210i, SE P800, SE P900, SPV C500, MPX 220, Treo 650, PDA2k, Treo 650, hp hw6515, Treo 650.

    As you can see I like my smartphones!

    I love the form factor of the Treo 650 and still believe it has one of the BEST keyboards but why can't it be thinner?

    I have been hanging on to see what the 'new' Treo's will be and whether they would fulfill my wish for a thinner model - but from what I can see of the new models the sum total of however many years of R & D have come up with exactly the same form as the 650 with a revised keyboard and no antenna ! Personnaly I would rather have kept the antenna and got a thinner handheld!

    I have watched with interest developments by other manufacturers - Motorola Q - great concept - but no GSM and still too wide, SE M600 - lovely looking machine but still some sync issues with Outlook.


    Positives:

    1) Sooooo very thin and small - same form factor as Treo 650 but about V3 thickness

    2) Quicker than previous WM handsets I have used.

    3) Categories do sync across on calendar, tasks and contacts despite my previous concerns.

    4) Acceptable camera.

    5) Loud speakers - but poor design means they fall flat on the table and become muffled when it is on your desk.



    Negatives:

    1) I prefer the Palm OS - it just works.

    2) No equivalent to Chapura's calllog+ - this is a REAL jem of software that I only discovered a few months back - but it syncs the Call log from your treo into the journal on Outlook allowing full audit trail of calls and conversations. Iand it is really key to me to be able to record notes from calls and on occassions simply prove calls were made! - really need this functionality.

    3) Keyboard not as good as 650s - not far off and certainly better the the hp 6515 I used previously but still not as good.

    4) Still not as quick to navigate and complete tasks as Palm - probably takes 3 actions for every one on Palm - this is an OS issue though not hardware.

    5) No ability to link contacts to appointments or tasks like you can with KeySuite - have spoken to makers of Pocket Informant though and they hope to have this in their next release.

    6) No THB Bury car cradle yet.

    7) No docking station and I guess never will be as connectors are on the side not the bottom.

    8) You can only remove the micro Sd by taking the back cover off - not a major issue for me - I have a 1Gb card and that should be sufficient.



    So generally - to sum up ....... love the form factor and that will probably be the deciding factor for me - but but but - if Palm got their act together and produced a Treo in the same size would have that over the i-320 anyday.

    If you want to see pics and review there is a great review at www.msmobiles.com
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    So if I get this right, you're trading gobs of functionality for a smaller form factor. Is it REALLY that important to look cool, as opposed to being able to do your job?

    Sorry, I just don't get it. My 650 fits in my pocket just fine. Would thinner be nice? Sure. Is it worth accepting a second rate product (functionally)? Not a chance.
    Bob Meyer
    I'm out of my mind. But feel free to leave a message.
  9.    #9  
    Hey an update - have decided - despite the keyboard layout to keep it !

    Looks like QWERTY version still some time off and I like it that much.

    I do have some comparison pictures of the Treo and Samsung but can't figure how to upload them?

    If someone wants to upload them email me at sgazard@falcon-ifa.com
  10. #10  
    use photobucket.com
    it will host your pics and have html and forum tags with each pic you upload, so yopu can click, copy & paste in the forum, making viewers able to see the pictures with very little efforts
  11. #11  
    I'm also surprised by your pros and cons.

    While the thinner, lighter form factor is nice, I wouldn't say it is a number one priority. The best comparision will be against the Vodafone GSM Treo (VGT) due to be launched in September but we only have 1 shot of it and little detail.

    Here is a brief comparison based on what little we know of VGT:

    Pros for VGT
    - WM5 for PPC, wider range of software
    - touchscreen, better for editing anything from sms, email to Office docs
    - 3G apparently supports latest high-speed data links unlike i320 (apparently there is an updated i320 called Blackjack which will be 3G coming on Orange)
    - Wi-Fi, rumoured to have integrated wi-fi

    Pros for i320
    - Thinner, lighter form factor
    - 240 x 320 screen will be become better supported due to i320 & Moto Q

    Other things can't compare due to lack of info on VGT
    - sd card vs hard to access mini-sd
    - performance
    - usability but expect Palm to lead here due to better 1-handed experience

    Based on those comparisons I expect the VGT to be a better device as the form factor thing isn't such a big deal to me.

    Cheers
    VikingBrad
    Last edited by VikingBrad; 08/02/2006 at 05:18 AM.
  12. #12  
    I think we need to appreciate what we are given (treo 650)
    :-)
  13.    #13  
    I have to say the one thing that always amazes me IN A GOOD WAY is the loyalty of Palm consumers.

    Whenever there is a suggestion that there could be something better the defensive responses are always deafening - and I include myself in that.

    I LOVE the Treo 650 - it does EVERYTHING I ask of it bar 2 things:

    1) Form factor - having carried the i320 round for the last 2 days in my top pocket it is so liberating.

    2) Wireless sync that works .... I forgot to mention that above .... I use Exchange Server 2003 and I have tried to sync the Treo and got it to work - BUT and it's a BIG but if you do sync that way (even with the latest version of Versamail) you are back to the inherent Palm / Microsoft issues - ie 15 categories ... 15 characters etc that make it a non plausable route - so they only route for sensible sync is wired using third party software.

    The fact that the WM 5 just does it out of the box all data all sources (exluding Outlook Notes) means I am always up to date - when my office book an appointment etc ... and obviously push email is also key but I had that on the Treo thanks to chattermail.

    I agree about the Vodaphone forthcoming Treo and certainly I would prefer pocket PC versus Smartphone - but it is amazing how quick you adapt and as you point out - the Moto Q has had a huge impact on the number of supported applications from 6 months ago when I was using the hp 6515 with same screen res.

    I will be interested to see the Vodafone Treo and if it was Palm OS would probably jump back but who knows !
  14. #14  
    Here are Stephen's pictures. Its really really dramatic how much thinner it is than the Treo. I can understand how the form factor can outweigh a small loss in functionality.

    http://surur.sytes.net/i320/1.jpg
    http://surur.sytes.net/i320/2.jpg
    http://surur.sytes.net/i320/3.jpg
    http://surur.sytes.net/i320/4.jpg
    http://surur.sytes.net/i320/5.jpg

    Here's a link to all the pictures in the proper "other handhelds" section
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...09#post1059609

    Surur
  15.    #15  
    Many thanks Surur for hosting - even the photos I have taken don't do the dramatic difference in size justice!
  16. #16  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    So if I get this right, you're trading gobs of functionality for a smaller form factor. Is it REALLY that important to look cool, as opposed to being able to do your job?

    .

    It's not so much looking cool as it's not having to lug a heavy bulky device. A treo in the pocket is not comfortable at all unless you wear those really baggy jeans.

    I loved my treo and loved it's capabilities but when it came down to it I was tired of carrying it around, it wasn't worth the features it possessed.

    So yes form factor plays a big part in some people's decision.

    Personally, waiting on a flip smartphone.
  17. #17  
    I'm in the category of "love my Treo, but always looking for something better." I have a real gadget fetish and seem to flit from one device to another, but I always come back to my Treo. I've pretty much cured my instability woes and do one reset a week. Sometimes less. But the Treo is kinda hefty compared to other, newer offerings. I think it's only natural to seek something better. Haven't found it yey, but I'll never stop looking.
  18. #18  
    Have a 600 and a waiting to upgrade....tired of the size / weight of the 600 (keep it in my pocket) and the i320 looks like the perfect size. I like the Palm OS, but why can't Palm come up with a thinner device (at least it appears the antenna will be gone in the propsed new versions, but still appear too thick / heavy).

    Any ideas if / when the i320 maybe available in the US and if T-Mobile will carry them?
  19. #19  
    I saw the phone, but I rather wait for the GSM new Treo
  20. #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by BillK400

    Any ideas if / when the i320 maybe available in the US and if T-Mobile will carry them?
    It is available in Europe now, with Asian & US scheduled for Oct/Nov. The US carrier was supposed to be Cingular

    Cheers
    VikingBrad
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