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    I'm in the market for a laptop, and one of the things I'm considering to supplement my current verizon data plan (that i use with my treo) is built-in EVDO access in the laptop.

    However, if I was unable to get that, I have a question: can a bluetooth enabled laptop connect with the treo 650 (which has bluetooth obviously) in order to use its data connection to access the net? Or is this not possible? Are there other, better ways of doing this?

    The EVDO option on most of these laptops runs in the neighborhood of $200-300, so if I could save the money by using my existing bluetooth I may as well right?
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    According to other posts many folks have it working. Both Verizon and Sprint charge extra for this service unless you apply one of the Hacks that lets you bypass it. I "hear" the verizon one works well.

    Note if you are not in EVDO coverage you cannot connect and talk at the same time.

    Andy
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    Here's a Verizon EVDO Wireless Card

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...t&phoneId=1821

    The deal is pay $60 a month for 2 years and get $50 off the price of the card

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/p...tion=miniStart

    BT works but will slow things down a bit.

    I am spoiled, I find mobile broadband unbearably slow at its paltry EVDO speed of 250-700 kbps. In my office, it's 28,900 kbps so for the most part I save my web use for the next time I am in the office....not bad in a pinch, but I'd rather wait.

    As for laptops, Dell is building in HSDPA support in many of its models. But with past experience and their resellerratings.com of 3.32, I don't shop there anymore.

    Check out WidowPC.com which has a 9.68 rating. Then after ya pick one out, mozy on over to Widow's OEM Supplier .... www.pro-star.com and look for the same model. Here's my experience spec'ing out a CAD laptop w/ 17" 1920 x 1200 screen and the fastest option of everything ya can think of stuffed in:

    WidowPC 517D - $4,675
    ProStar 5724 - $3,190 (after 5 % professional society discount)

    Prices start at about $779 for smaller models.

    Both the above have identical componets, in identical cases except the latter didn't have Widow's black spider logo on it.

    If ya like Prostar, ask for Peyton at Ext 114....I have talked to him at least once a week for the last 6 weeks or so and he's been handling our office's needs very nicely. Tho if ya tell him ya know me, he's probably charge ya an extra $200 . As for the machine, it's outbenchmarked Dell's top of the line XPS model (which in turn has crushed everything else) so I have no complaints....using it here for CAD, engineering analysis, and the usual office stuff....including after hours gaming.....screen is simply outstanding....1st LCD I have owned without complaint and 1st that I can not distinguish individual pixels.

    Disclaimer: I have no financial or otherwise interest in ProStar....just a satisfied customer....well so far....my 30 day evaluation period isn't quite over yet and I have yet to try the built in TV Tuner.
    Last edited by JackNaylorPE; 07/13/2006 at 11:38 AM.
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    So here's another question... if I get the EVDO card on my laptop, can I use that on my existing verizon wireless unlimited data plan (i.e. the plan that I have for my treo) or is that something different?
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    I don't quite know how they do it but they now seem to be able to sniff you out and will charge you appropriately
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    I think they monitor the ports which the device is trying to access. Obviously a cellphone would not need to connect to say 6881 (Bittorrent). They also monitor the amount of data going through the device, when I used to have a Treo 300 on Sprint (ah the good old days where resets were unheard of) a certain rep told me that if you use more than 1GB of data a month your account gets flagged. I'm not sure if they still do that or if the size has changed, but it gives a general idea.


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    So "Unlimited Data" really just means "kinda limited based on what we think". Good to know.
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    No, unlimited data means unlimited based on the TOS to which you agreed. It gets kind of frustrating when people say things along the lines of "Well it's not really unlimited, I thought I was paying for unlimited access", because they clearly did not read the TOS, which specifically restricts that kind of usage, they have separate plans for that which are more expensive. I don't understand how you can criticize something which you shouldn't even have in the first place . Especially when that kind of usage just increases the price for everyone else...

    Anyway, to answer the original post, it's going to be hard to find EvDO built into a laptop, since it's relatively new. However, I have heard of Sony laptops with Cingular EDGE built into them. Once EvDO becomes more mainstream perhaps we will see more laptops with built in Wireless WAN, until then you can use a PC card with a separate plan or bluetooth DUN (with caution) with your existing plan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stephentyler20
    So "Unlimited Data" really just means "kinda limited based on what we think". Good to know.
    See the fine print thread here:

    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=106657
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenCode
    it's going to be hard to find EvDO built into a laptop,
    Not the case... 4 out of the 4 laptops I'm looking at buying have built-in EVDO cards, and almost every other one I've looked at has it as an option as well (we're talking a dozen or more laptops). It's not standard, you have to pay for it ($2-300) but they're out there.
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    Oh, in case you were wondering... Dell Latitude D620 + D420, IBM Thinkpad T60 + X60.
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    Oooh, Thinkpads.....
    Interesting, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I had no idea that high speed wireless WAN connections were so popular!

    As for the laptops:

    Thinkpads are really good, very durable. Great laptops if you can get past their pre-2000 look... A Thinkpad is your best bet if looks don't matter.

    Not a big fan of Dell personally, especially with their laptops, I find they have a poor design and tend to heat up more than they should (not to be confused with overheating). Dell laptops are more prone to hardware problems, and their customer service isn't the greatest. They look nicer than Thinkpads though, and notebookforums.com has a dedicated Dell forum, so there is some help.

    What are the specs of these systems that you are looking at?


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    FYI do a search on 'BT DUN' and you'll find a ton of topics on this..
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    i got dun to work with my tmobile.
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    For those considering using an EDGE/3G (GSM) or EVDO PCIMIA card with their laptop or sync their Treo to get internet access please ensure you either have a high data plan or unlimited data plan for usage. Reason a typical laptop (15"+) will display more kilobytes (kb) per page than normal usage on a Treo. Rogers Wireless (GSM carrier in Canada) supports Sony Ericsson's PCMIA data cards (GC99/89/83) and comes with a seperate SIM card which is activated as a seperate line on the customer's wireless account. Currently in Canada wireless carriers only have the highest data plan around 200 MB for $100.00 (CDN) depending on which carrier you subscribe to. The solution I've found is for users of such data cards to use WIFI when accessible which is one of the features of the card. This is useful for keeping cost low whether in free Hotspot zones or low service fee for Hotspots that charge customers on a pay per use basis. Here is a useful link http://www.technewsworld.com/hotspot-locator/ for those looking for both pay per use and free Hotspots for various cities. Keep in mind most hotels and airports offer free Hotspot access so ensure when roaming outside your local area to enable WIFI prior to leaving on your trip. Otherwise you may be getting a bank loan to cover your data bill.
    Last edited by Dark_Knight; 07/15/2006 at 12:09 PM.
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    One note, the Bluetooth "Phone as Modem" option for the Treo 700p is a great option. I use it with Sprint, and for Web Browsing and whatnot, it really does feel like a Broadband connection.

    The only time it really seems a little slow is when I download large files, as I am spoiled. I have 6 Mbit DSL at home. This is about 10-20 Times faster than the speeds I get through EVDO.

    I find the EVDO plan for the Treo 700p a very reasonable option for mobile internet access, and would say it compares favorably to WiFi access at my local Starbucks.

    One thing, you specifically asked about the 650. I would say that it works, but is more like dialup speeds. At this point in time I find dialup hard to bear. (I'm spoiled, I have practically unlimited Bandwidth at work and 6 Mbit at home) If dialup speeds are ok, then go ahead with a "Phone as Modem" plan for your 650.

    If phone as modem is not available from your carrier, look into a piece of software called PDAnet. It works great. It can support tethered access, or if your laptop has Bluetooth built in can work in untethered mode.

    Feel free to PM me if you need more info.
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    Thanks for all the tips!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephentyler20
    Not the case... 4 out of the 4 laptops I'm looking at buying have built-in EVDO cards, and almost every other one I've looked at has it as an option as well (we're talking a dozen or more laptops). It's not standard, you have to pay for it ($2-300) but they're out there.
    I wonder if there is a dozen laptop manufacturers left. Aside from the big boys, most small market vendors are selling Clevo clones ...Sager, Voodoo, Prostar, Alienware, Widow, Averatec, etc are all manufactured by Clevo.

    And while I have seen many laptops w/ EVDO cards, but few with on board chips handling EVDO

    here's one:

    http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...tfg,tfg,00.asp

    Personally I prefer the "CARD" approach.....wouldn't want to have been stuck with say HSDPA 1.8 chip when the HSDPA 3.6 cards became available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandorr
    The only time it really seems a little slow is when I download large files, as I am spoiled. I have 6 Mbit DSL at home. This is about 10-20 Times faster than the speeds I get through EVDO.
    Right, I really can't get excited about HSDPA or EVDO when I can just wait till I am next at home or in the office and use cable modem speeds which, besides being 50 - 100 times faster, give me a full size KB and 23 times the screen real estate.
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    Alienware doesn't use the Clevo chassis anymore. They dropped it awhile ago and now use Uniwill chassis.


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