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  1.    #1  
    Amazing how fast the stock market shifted Palm from "Darling" to "Loser".

    Check this article out: (It pretty much re-iterates all the same stuff many here have been saying for quite some time.)
    http://foxnews.smartmoney.com/Techsm...story=20060630

    Let me add one thing to the article:
    - It says that Palm was smart to shift to Windows. What it doesn't mention is that their first Windows-based device is not competitive with other Windows devices.
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    moved to the OT section since it is more about finance/stockmarket than about the treo itself
    (link left so people still see it in the treo general forum)
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  3.    #3  
    thanks for the move. I put it in general since most of the article was about Palm's strategic planning and feature choices.

    I personally rarely get in this off-topic forum due to all of the political discussion.
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    I love TC and I think the mods here are great, but I think this is a bad call. How can any discussion pertaining to Palm be "off-topic"?
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    I agree. this topic is related to palm, not politics. it should be moved out of off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driven01
    I personally rarely get in this off-topic forum due to all of the political discussion.
    lol owch
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    I agree. this topic is related to palm, not politics. it should be moved out of off topic.
    FYI off topic is not (just) for politics, it is for all non treo-related items.

    This case is a tricky one, hence the link in treo general.
    It mainly is about the stock of a company, but the tricky bit is that is about a company called Palm

    The thread in question belongs in both area's and now it is

    <edit> after thinking about it I swapped it around, only a link in OT and the thread in treo general.
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  8.    #8  
    Thanks again.

    Now that all of that is over ... does anyone want to comment on the original article?

    Again: I remember saying a few months back when Palm's stock was climbing (while we were all discussing what was wrong with the 700w & 650) "what do the investors see that we don't?"

    Now, apparently I see that I should have been asking: "Why don't the investors see what we do?"
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    Yes, back to the topic at hand...

    The article is filled with flaws and stupidity. And just as the columnists/investors (in this case Nicole Ridgway) misunderstood things before and rated Palm's stock too high, they now are misunderstanding other things and possibly rating it too low (or, at least, rating it low for the wrong reasons).

    Nicole faults Palm for not investing enough in the next-generation OS, but rather their next-gen PDA. Who is she talking about exactly? The OS company and the hardware company were split long ago. It could be argued that Handspring (a 3rd company) was ahead of the curve in predicting the rise of the smartphone. But, they too had no ownership of the Palm OS. If she's suggesting that they should have been working on their own OS way back then, I might not disagree, but things were looking good for the Palm OS market back then, and so I can see why they wouldn't want to invest a lot of time, effort, and money in their own OS (remember, too, that Handspring was losing money every quarter as it was). Palm's hardware company (Palm Solutions Group later renamed palmOne) wouldn't invest in a new OS, either. They had split off from the OS company not because they weren't happy with the OS but because the top folks thought it best to split in order to attract other hardware licensees. PSG/palmOne didn't have much say, though, in what the OS side focused on, and they weren't really in tune with the smartphone market at that time anyway (Handspring, Kyocera, and Samsung were).

    Now Nicole can't be talking about how PalmSource wasted time by not thinking ahead to making the Palm OS more smartphone-friendly and multitasking-capable because she's clearly talking about Palm's stock price and not Access/PalmSource's.

    Then there are other flaws with the content of her article:
    1)
    As Levy points out, IT managers are increasingly including smart devices in their budgets.
    ...
    They will inevitably be drawn toward cheaper alternatives and ones that are compatible with the rest of their systems. Translation: They will want smart phones that run on Windows Mobile 5.0, as opposed to the Palm OS, so they can more easily sync information between desktops and their portable devices.
    The Palm OS has been able to sync perfectly fine with MS Outlook ever since the days of the B&W 160x160 Pilots thanks to Intellisync then, and later with hardware licensees bundling other solutions. There might be a few minor quibbles, but nothing that's going to be an issue for the majority of businesses.

    2)
    Not only that, but the Windows platform, while more complicated to use than Palm's OS, allows users to multitask.
    This is something geeks talk about, but regular users (including business users) usually don't even think about. Don't just throw out the word "multitasking" as a dot-point feature that the Palm OS lacks, talk about specific applications where the need for multitasking is absolutely critical for these business users. For the vast majority of business users, there aren't any.

    FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with the conclusion (i.e., Palm stock is not a sure bet long-term), but not for the above "reasons."
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  10.    #10  
    I certainly agree with you with regards to the multi-tasking ...
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    Actually for business with a locked down device, I could see how it would simplify development to have a GPS-logging app running in the background while having a inventory database apps running at the same time as a signature capture. The apps can be developed or even purchased seperately, and due to true multi-tasking should play well with each other if the device is well enough specified (especially memory wise- evil stare at Treo 700w direction).

    Surur
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    surur, I'm not saying that there aren't specific situations/applications where multitasking may be critical. I'm simply saying that I think the lack of multitasking on the Palm OS has been overblown and is a non-issue for the majority of users. To put it another way...if the need to multitask was so critical for average users, one would expect to see more posts in these forums by users new to the Treo and Palm OS who ask why they can't leave app X running while running app Y.
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  13. #13  
    I thought we were talking about business use, not casual use. As an example, our photocopy service man carriers an XDA 2, a large pocketpc phone with a 3.5 inch screen. He has service manuals on it, and he can get his assignments by SMS, e-mail or phone. If it was just am e-mail terminal a blackberry or POS device may have been OK, but its probably advantageous for him to be able to look at a pdf manual and then skip between this and the web based service instructions.

    Surur
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    Well I was talking about business use among enterprise users. You're talking about vertical uses (e.g., UPS). So, to be accurate, I think there are three different categories: Consumer, Enterprise, Vertical applications.

    In the case of vertical applications, I think the biggest problem for the Palm OS could be the lack of hardware licensees that cater to that segment. Is Symbol still making Palm OS devices? And even if they are, that's just one company probably making one model. Any heavy-duty thumbboard-equipped Palm OS devices? I'm guessing 'no.'
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  15.    #15  
    Let's not get too far down on Palm. The PalmOS *can* multi-task, but it takes a bit more development effort as the multi-tasking has to be built into the app itself. (Cooperative multi-tasking if you will ....)

    It's just easier to develop multi-tasking apps on PocketPC because the OS does the work for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driven01
    Again: I remember saying a few months back when Palm's stock was climbing (while we were all discussing what was wrong with the 700w & 650) "what do the investors see that we don't?"

    Now, apparently I see that I should have been asking: "Why don't the investors see what we do?"
    The market as a whole sometimes takes time to respond, but rest assured major investors know exactly what's going on at all times.
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