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    What do you find valuable about having a PDA and phone in one unit, other than the fact that you only carry one unit? I'm really tempted by the new Treo, and my old Palm is starting to die anyway, but I'm not sure why it's better than a PDA and a phone glued together.
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    Er, because now your PDA has wireless Internet access? IMO, that's a far bigger advantage than only having to carry one device. A much smaller but nonetheless convenient perk is that your phone has access to all your Outlook (or PIM of choice) contact info, which is very convenient for dialing, e-mailing, texting, etc.

    Trust me, a PDA phone is far greater than the sum of its parts.
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    Well, I was sorta considering the Palm Lifedrive with wi-fi built in. I know there's a high PITA factor there, esp. outside a big city, but it is free in some places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    Well, I was sorta considering the Palm Lifedrive with wi-fi built in. I know there's a high PITA factor there, esp. outside a big city, but it is free in some places.
    As big of a fan of my 650 as I am, there are reasons NOT to converge.

    One of the biggest PITAs I find with having 1 device is that when I'm on the phone with someone and they want some information that I have stored in my 650....it's difficult to look up the info while carrying on a conversation.

    I know I can wear a headset and accomplish the task that way, but I don't always have my headset with me (or charged) and I frequently am sitting at my desk and don't need the headset (I hate looking like a Borg all day long...walking around with the headset on me 100% of the time...).

    Granted, many people aren't in the habit or don't have the need to take notes or looking up info while on their cell phone -- but those of us in Sales and/or IT might find it easier to have a separate device.

    That said...I opted to go the Treo route after using a TX for a few days to "try out" having 2 devices. What I found was that I hated carrying 2 devices with me every where I went. That alone is what pushed me to a headset and a Treo...
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    It's a matter of personal preference and/or local coverage, but I'd take EVDO or even 1xRTT coverage over Wifi. With the exception of a Panera Bread here and there (which I don't frequent), my house and my work are pretty much the only places in the area where I have free Wifi access. Since I always have a computer nearby at home and at work, I don't need to use the Treo's data functions very much where I have Wifi access. On the other hand, I'm constantly using the Treo's data functions when I'm not in those hotspots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    What do you find valuable about having a PDA and phone in one unit, other than the fact that you only carry one unit? I'm really tempted by the new Treo, and my old Palm is starting to die anyway, but I'm not sure why it's better than a PDA and a phone glued together.

    PDA
    Phone
    iPod
    Email
    Internet
    Video Player

    One device.

    Palm Treo Headset added -- same chargers as Treo.


    Priceless.
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    Haggar, when you say it's difficult to look up info while on the phone, do you mean that callers have to wait in silence while you look at the screen? If so, I guess I'd just have to explain what I'm doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    Haggar, when you say it's difficult to look up info while on the phone, do you mean that callers have to wait in silence while you look at the screen? If so, I guess I'd just have to explain what I'm doing.
    Well...what I ultimately end up doing (if I don't have access to my headset) is putting them on speakerphone and explaining that I'm looking for the info.

    Telling someone to "hold" while I'm trying to build rapport (remember, I'm a salesperson) isn't something I like to do. I like to keep the conversation going....

    I'm in real estate - so I'm looking up property info for people all the time. If they ask me about 3 or 4 different properties and I keep saying "please hold" while I look up the info -- I'm dead meat.

    It's just me...and the way I run my business. I like to maintain a professional image at all times...I know you'd never be able to tell that from the way I post around here...
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    And I guess you tell them you're putting them on speakerphone? Sounds like a good approach.

    I think everyone in biz is a salesman, or ought to be if they want to succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    I think everyone in biz is a salesman, or ought to be if they want to succeed.
    Agreed!

    But keep in mind...speakerphone isn't very professional either. Honestly, I've never heard what the sound quality of the speakerphone is from the OTHER side of the conversation...it could really suck or it could be good...I don't know. But nonetheless, I prefer to keep the conversation as "intimate" (in a business way!!) as possible...I hate it when technology gets in the way and/or reveals itself in the process...for example, when I'm talking to a customer service rep for ANYTHING and they sigh and say "I'm just waiting for my computer to update..." -- that isn't "professional". I immediately think to myself -- what a cheap company...giving these folks such crappy computers.

    But, that's just me. The humble monk, caveman, and super hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden
    PDA
    Phone
    iPod
    Email
    Internet
    Video Player

    One device.

    Palm Treo Headset added -- same chargers as Treo.


    Priceless.
    Your time in the PPR purgatory has made you wise, Perry.

    I'd add Camera and Photo Album to the list as well.

    I went to the Treo 180 because I was finding it to be a massive PITA to carry 2 devices around all the time. It wasn't so bad if I had a backpack or briefcase, but when I wanted to "lighten up", I felt I had to bring along a fanny pack to keep everything together and that didn't fly. Maybe my subconscious was pushing me to an integrated device by making me forget one of the 2 devices on a fairly regular basis after a while.

    The latest generation of Treos are MUCH more than simply phone and PDA jammed into 1. The dizzying selection of software makes the device just about anything you want it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbranch
    The dizzying selection of software...
    I guess that explains the mental state of so many who post here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    What do you find valuable about having a PDA and phone in one unit, other than the fact that you only carry one unit? I'm really tempted by the new Treo, and my old Palm is starting to die anyway, but I'm not sure why it's better than a PDA and a phone glued together.
    I'm not a Treo warrior. But I do like having them together for:

    1. While on a call, I can check the calendar and make/change appointments or look up a phone number/addrees/birthday.
    2. I like having a lot of my personal info handy (and secured with a lock/wipe program) such as passcodes, etc. But only selective info.
    3. Having web access is nice, too. Looking up info on the fly has been handy a couple of times.

    There's a good review section here that has reviews of phones. The 600 and 650 reviews might be archived, but they're easy to find. That will give you a good idea of what you can expect.
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    OK, since this is obviously the thread for Treo expetise, please allow me to cross-post this once. I fished for an answer in the Palm communication forum, but didn't get any nibbles.

    I know I've read about an app that helps you avoid unexpected data charges. It either makes sure you're completely offline (I guess with a Treo you can be semi-offline and still eating up data) or it times out your connection. Don't remember which, but it sounds really handy. Any clues? I think I saw it in the How To Do Everything with Your Palm book.
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    Like the all-in-one multi knife, the PDA-Phone-every"THING" is a compromise.

    There are phones like the Swiss Knife that manage to do most things well
    enough, but when you have a real task and have specialist tools at hand
    you reach out for them and possibly do the job more efficiently and
    effectivey.

    The Treo manages to do most things well.

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    I used to be a Treo owner, but for me I found that I really did not use the wireless internet outside of locations that have free wifi, for me to justify paying $35 dollars a month to a cell phone company. I switched back to a cell phone and a LifeDrive. If I really need to access the net in a jam and I do not have a wifi connection I can easily do it by bluetoothing to my phone. I also have alot of files I like to keep backed up on my LifeDrive and having a huge amount of memory is really great. Internet radion through my LifeDrive at work and at is also great when you do not have to worry about data charges. This all being said, I would have been the first to buy the Treo 700p if it had built in wifi. I would have bought the Treo 650 also if it had that feature available. The reality is that the smartphone industry is controlled by the cell phone companies. Cell phone companies don't want people accessing the internet over free wifi connections or making free calls through skype and wifi on their smartphone. This is why I will be a pda and phone guy atleast for now.

    Nevin

    p.s. On side note I beleive that pda's will soon be umpc's with full operating systems running on them. I think it will be awhile before the hardware can make this a reality for smartphones.
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    How much data do you carry around on your phone? The Treo 650 suppports 2 GB SD cards right out of the box. That's 67 times as much as my first desktop computer with a hard drive. hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerdog
    What do you find valuable about having a PDA and phone in one unit, other than the fact that you only carry one unit? I'm really tempted by the new Treo, and my old Palm is starting to die anyway, but I'm not sure why it's better than a PDA and a phone glued together.
    I no longer have to carry the following with me on buz trips:

    Phone
    PDA
    Travel Alarm
    Reading material
    Laptop
    Camera
    Gaming Device
    Transportation Guides
    Pocket Calculator
    Dictation Device
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    I no longer have to carry the following with me on buz trips:

    Phone
    PDA
    Travel Alarm
    Reading material
    Laptop
    Camera
    Gaming Device
    Transportation Guides
    Pocket Calculator
    Dictation Device
    You wouldn't have to bring any of that along if you had a separate PDA and phone, either. Except for the fact that you're carrying 2 devices you'd have the same functionality...and as far as Palm is concerned - you'd actually have MORE functionality because you'd have Wi-Fi if you bought the right PDA...
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    Haggar, so is your feeling that if it doesn't bother someone to carry two devices, that's the way to go?
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