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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by IEFesq
    Easy Boys....as a representative of the female persuasion (yes, on behalf of all such tarts), I really must object to the tone of this thread...
    Yeah, what teH Frog said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I just got back from McDonalds. The barely legal tart at the drive thru window said they didn't sell any 650's, but the McRib would be back.
    Now that's funny- I don't care who y'are.
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    #43  
    Going into Best Buy reminds me of:

    http://solomonsmusic.net/BoschSureal.htm

    Hieronymous Bosch's vision of Hell.

    After negotiating the parking lot, which looks like an SUV jousting arena, I walk through the door into the Zeppelin hanger, rap "music" blasting out of the PA system, a baby screaming somewhere off in the distance.. a thousand people walking in every direction aimlessly, try to find someone in a blue vest to help me locate a product.. finally find a guy rearranging stuff no one wants on a shelf..

    "Hi, can you tell me where to find x?"
    "I don't know. That's not my department"
    "Whose department is it?"
    {{blank stare}}..
    "Who can help me find x?"
    "I think that's B1ff's department. I'll page him."
    (Stand there watching paint dry.. B1ff never shows up.. I wander off to find the thing myself..) ..

    Or..

    After waiting in the returns and exchanges line for a year.. with the obligatory 20-somthing couple and their screaming baby in front of me, 20-something girl behind the counter talking to another about their nails and hair and ignoring me..

    "Hi, I'd like to return this for a refund."
    "Why do you want to return it?"
    "Doesn't that sign on the wall behind you say 'No Questions Asked return policy'?"
    "Yes, but we have to put something on this form."
    "Then why do you have that sign on the wall?"
    {{blank stare.. continues to play with her hair.. I can hear circuits in her brain opening and closing..}} ..

    Or..

    After stuffing earplugs in my ears to block out the rap "music", screaming babies, and the white noise of a thousand people talking over the blare of a thousand teevees and stereos playing, I take a handful of tranquilizers,
    finally find something I actually remembered I went in there in the first place to get, take it to the checkout stands, ten of them, two open, stand in line for a year, behind people buying mountains of crap.. get to the checker, who is within ten foot eyeshot of the rent-a-goon on a stool who checks receipts as you leave the store.. pay for item, she bags, it, I start to walk out..

    "Sir, SIR!! I have to check your receipt."
    "You were ten feet away from me and watched me buy this, now you think what, I stole it?"
    "I have to check your receipt against what's in the bag It's store policy."

    Back out into the parking lot, dodging SUVs and ricers with stereos blasting rap "music" so loud my spine starts falling apart, I get into my car, shut the door, semi-blissful silence, start the task of trying to get out of their parking lot, as another parade of SUVs all sit idling trying to beat each other to a parking space someone looks like they might be backing out of some day..

    No thank you. You can have Best Buy. If everything was half off, I wouldn't step foot in the place.

    Not that any of their competition is that much better.

    As Dave Barry likes to say: I swear I am not making this up.

    I went into Staples once to make some copies at a self-serve photocopy machine. I glance over to the checkout stands and see a bajillion people standing in line, so I ask some joker in a vest, "May I pay for copies over there at the Printing Services counter instead? There's a register there. It's open, isn't it?" "Sure." Walk up to the register, the 20-something girl is agonizingly showing a thousand year old woman a bajillion types of paper for party invitations or something.. I stand and wait, ignored (must have taken one too many invisibility pills that morning).. finally I perform customer interruptus. "I just want to pay for these copies and leave. How much will x copies be?" "Twenty seven cents." I pull exactly twenty seven cents out of my pocket, put them on the counter smack in front of her and say "There's twenty seven cents." I don't wait for a receipt, just walk out the door. I'm halfway to my car when I hear "Sir! SIR!!" behind me. I turn around and there's a store goon in a white shirt and tie. "Are you going to pay for those copies?" "Excuse me?" "You didn't pay for those copies." "Say what? Come back in the store with me, Bozo." (At this point I don't even want to know what my blood pressure was).. I walk him over to the counter where the 20-something girl playing with her hair is STILL showing the thousand year old woman paper styles, point to the counter and say "Look. What do you see there? Twenty seven cents. I SAID to here 'here's your twenty seven cents. Ask her if she heard me. See the coins? I PAID for the copies. There's the money. You happy now, pal? You embarassed enough? You march me back in here and accuse me of stealing twenty seven cents worth of copies when I've spend thousands of dollars in here since they built the place?" Before he can get a word out, I turn and walk away. Go home, get on the blower and call Staples headquarters and tell them the story. They apologize all over the place, give me the usual "it's a training issue, we're aware of it" excuse, promise the store manager will call me back. A few days later, he does, tells me to come into the store and ask for him by name, which I do, and he hands me a $20.00 gift certificate and apologizes some more."

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    Whooo dude. That's a heavy weight you been carrying on those shoulders.
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  5. #45  
    Talk about angst. Maybe consider decaf?
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    My local BB still had treos fyi...
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    #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraOrdinaryJo
    Talk about angst. Maybe consider decaf?
    Decaf? Hah! Caffiene does not pass through my lips. You ever worked retail? I managed a bookstore in 1970, when I was only 20, one of my first "real" jobs, and we were trained to treat customers with respect and dignity, not like sheep with wallets.

    Customer service has going down the toilet in the intervening 36 years. Mom and Pop shops are going away by the thousands, along with customer service, as big box stores with underpaid, under-trained workers replace them. Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, K-Mart, Target, Wal-Mart, name your poison.

    These days you want good service? You go to an upscale store with hundred dollar bills falling out of your pocket and you get good service.

    Ain't nothing about angst. It's about right and wrong. It's about caring about what you do or not caring.

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  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by hrlaser
    Decaf? Hah! Caffiene does not pass through my lips. You ever worked retail? I managed a bookstore in 1970, when I was only 20, one of my first "real" jobs, and we were trained to treat customers with respect and dignity, not like sheep with wallets.

    Customer service has going down the toilet in the intervening 36 years. Mom and Pop shops are going away by the thousands, along with customer service, as big box stores with underpaid, under-trained workers replace them. Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, K-Mart, Target, Wal-Mart, name your poison.

    These days you want good service? You go to an upscale store with hundred dollar bills falling out of your pocket and you get good service.

    Ain't nothing about angst. It's about right and wrong. It's about caring about what you do or not caring.

    Harv

    Umm..reread your previous post and tell me again how your "issue" is only with deteriating service in the retail world. It looks to me that you have an issue with people trying to do their jobs, with children, with "twenty somethings" with any musical tastes other than your own, with SUVs, with parking lots...did I miss any?

    I agree about deteriorating service, and we could extend that conversation to a deterioration of society in general. And don't get me wrong, stupid people annoy the heck out of me....not uneducated...stupid people. I just think you'll do yourself a world of good if you don't sweat the little things and try to practice a bit of tolerance. Of course, that's easier said than done.

    BTW, I got a good chuckle out of your signature...and how you don't practice what you preach!
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    #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by IEFesq
    Easy Boys....as a representative of the female persuasion (yes, on behalf of all such tarts), I really must object to the tone of this thread...

    To paraprhae that great Eminem; I object to your objection!

    Just kidding!! I couldn't resist. I am confident that nobody here meant to slight women or baked goods in any manner.


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  10. #50  
    FYI, Bell Canada (yes, I live in Canada) is discounting Treo 600 at 99$CAN with a 3 year contract. Last month, it was 300$CAN for the 600. The 650 didn't change price (still 300$CAN), but they are now offering a free GPS with it. So the prices are definitively dropping...

    My question is: does somebody know if it is because they will offer the 700W? or maybe (hopefully) because the 700P(erry)* is coming soon? I am not familiar the way the commercialization of the Treo works from us to canada...

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  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by JeeMan
    FYI, Bell Canada (yes, I live in Canada) is discounting Treo 600 at 99$CAN with a 3 year contract. Last month, it was 300$CAN for the 600. The 650 didn't change price (still 300$CAN), but they are now offering a free GPS with it. So the prices are definitively dropping...

    My question is: does somebody know if it is because they will offer the 700W? or maybe (hopefully) because the 700P(erry)* is coming soon? I am not familiar the way the commercialization of the Treo works from us to canada...

    *Copyright by gharrod
    I would assume that the 700P will not be coming to a Canadian carrier any time soon. Sprint likely will get some sort of exclusive deal when they finally release it, and if you're looking at the same exclusive deal that Verizon is getting with the 700W, that puts it with Sprint only until late this year.

    I'd say you're looking at a Christmas release at the earliest.
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  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    I would assume that the 700P will not be coming to a Canadian carrier any time soon. Sprint likely will get some sort of exclusive deal when they finally release it, and if you're looking at the same exclusive deal that Verizon is getting with the 700W, that puts it with Sprint only until late this year.

    I'd say you're looking at a Christmas release at the earliest.
    Why would Sprint (or Verizon) pay Palm extra in order to get a guarantee of exclusivity that extends beyond the US, which is the only market that they serve? Different wireless carriers serve the Canadian market, so what's stopping Palm from selling an exclusive availability period *FOR CANADA* to one of the Canadian CDMA carriers? It's not like that would take any 700w sales away from Verizon, or any 700p sales away from Sprint.
  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    Why would Sprint (or Verizon) pay Palm extra in order to get a guarantee of exclusivity that extends beyond the US, which is the only market that they serve? Different wireless carriers serve the Canadian market, so what's stopping Palm from selling an exclusive availability period *FOR CANADA* to one of the Canadian CDMA carriers? It's not like that would take any 700w sales away from Verizon, or any 700p sales away from Sprint.
    Nothing's stopping Palm from doing this.

    But when was the last time that happened?

    I don't think Sprint would be too happy when someone ports a Sprint Treo 700p to Rogers or whoever the Canadian CDMA carrierr is though, do you?

    BTW, thanks for the tip! I really thought Canada = US!
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  14. #54  
    Yeah, thanks a lot for this info, I didn't know that either! Now, I can still hope!
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  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I just got back from McDonalds. The barely legal tart at the drive thru window said they didn't sell any 650's, but the McRib would be back.
    lmao!!!
  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    Nothing's stopping Palm from doing this.

    But when was the last time that happened?
    It happened a few months ago for the pink version of the Moto RAZR. T-Mobile has the exclusive on it in the US, but other carriers in other countries (including Canada) also have their own rights to it to. See http://www.i4u.com/article4566.html for details.

    I don't know if Palm/Handspring has ever done any exclusive deals with US carriers in the past, but now that they've done one with Verizon, I can't see why they would want to leave money on the table. Surely it makes sense to try to cut a deal with Bell Mobility or Telus so that the winner can (for a few months) trumpet the fact that theirs is the only place you can buy a Treo 700w in Canada. It's no skin off Verizon's back, since they aren't competing for those Canadian customers anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    I don't think Sprint would be too happy when someone ports a Sprint Treo 700p to Rogers or whoever the Canadian CDMA carrierr is though, do you?
    Well, we were talking about the 700w and Verizon, not the 700p and Sprint. But I still don't see your point. No one would be trying to port a Verizon 700w to a Canadian CDMA carrier (Rogers is GSM; you mean Bell or Telus) if one of the Canadian carriers had its own national-market exclusive on the 700w. But given that it's virtually impossible to unlock a subsidy-locked CDMA phone and port it to another carrier anyway (seen many 700w phones in Sprint customers' hands?), the porting issue seems moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    BTW, thanks for the tip! I really thought Canada = US!
    You're welcome! I don't doubt that you did!
  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    It happened a few months ago for the pink version of the Moto RAZR. T-Mobile has the exclusive on it in the US, but other carriers in other countries (including Canada) also have their own rights to it to. See http://www.i4u.com/article4566.html for details.
    Maybe I wasn't clear. When was the last time PALM did this?

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    I don't know if Palm/Handspring has ever done any exclusive deals with US carriers in the past, but now that they've done one with Verizon, I can't see why they would want to leave money on the table. Surely it makes sense to try to cut a deal with Bell Mobility or Telus so that the winner can (for a few months) trumpet the fact that theirs is the only place you can buy a Treo 700w in Canada. It's no skin off Verizon's back, since they aren't competing for those Canadian customers anyway.
    Palm and Handspring have done an exclusivity deal on every Treo prior to the 700W with Sprint, since they financed a good portion of the R&D for Handspring's early models. It is skin of the carriers backs because they're subsidizing the cost of those handsets, not you.

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    Well, we were talking about the 700w and Verizon, not the 700p and Sprint. But I still don't see your point. No one would be trying to port a Verizon 700w to a Canadian CDMA carrier (Rogers is GSM; you mean Bell or Telus) if one of the Canadian carriers had its own national-market exclusive on the 700w. But given that it's virtually impossible to unlock a subsidy-locked CDMA phone and port it to another carrier anyway (seen many 700w phones in Sprint customers' hands?), the porting issue seems moot.
    He specifically mentioned the "700P(erry)", aka 700P. That in all likelihood will be a Sprint exclusive. As far as "virtually impossible to unlock a subsidy-locked CMDA phone", you're new here, so I'll let you search for all the "How do I Verizonize a Sprint 650?" threads and let you see for yourself.

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  18. #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    Palm and Handspring have done an exclusivity deal on every Treo prior to the 700W with Sprint, since they financed a good portion of the R&D for Handspring's early models. It is skin of the carriers backs because they're subsidizing the cost of those handsets, not you.
    I can see your point about them (Verizon) not wanting to share the glory with a foreign carrier that didn't also share the development costs, but I'm still not seeing where Verizon would actually lose any revenue. Consider the two alternate scenarios for the first 6 months after the 700w is announced:

    1) The hypothetical arrrangement: 700w is exclusive to Verizon in US only, but exclusive to other carriers in Canada, Mexico, etc. Verizon sells X of them in the US, Telus (say) sells Y of them in Canada, etc. Palm gets its cut of the revenue of total sales of X+Y units.

    2) The reality: 700w is exclusive to Verizon in US only, and is not available elsewhere. Verizon STILL sells only X of them in the US. Telus sells none in Canada, but those would-be 700w customers in Canada end up buying something else or nothing at all. Palm's revenue cut is thus based on only X (not X+Y) total units.

    How would Verizon come off any worse either way? The development subsidies they gave to Palm are already sunk costs. Their profit depends on how many units they sell (and how much subscriber revenue they bring in) once the model goes on sale. Keeping Sprint at bay for 6 months will help increase Verizon's revenue by steering some customers who otherwise would have signed up for a 700w at Sprint into instead signing up at Verizon. But keeping Telus and Bell at bay for 6 months doesn't bring in any additional dollars to Verizon, because Bell's and Telus's prospective 700w customers can't turn to Verizon as an alternative.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    He specifically mentioned the "700P(erry)", aka 700P.
    I know that we're speculating about what the arrangements will be for the 700p, but my original followup message was to the part that mentioned Verizon's 6-month exclusive on the 700w. I believe your exact words in post 51 of this thread referred to the "exclusive deal that Verizon is getting with the 700W." My point was that if Sprint were to come out with a new Treo in June, it couldn't be the 700w without violating Verizon's alleged 6-month exclusivity period, which would end in July. (This all assumes that the 6-month figure is valid, something which Jack Naylor has called into question.) Thus, if we do get something from Sprint in June (or earlier), it is likely to be the 700p (yay!) instead of the 700w.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    As far as "virtually impossible to unlock a subsidy-locked CMDA phone", you're new here, so I'll let you search for all the "How do I Verizonize a Sprint 650?" threads and let you see for yourself.
    I'm not actually new here, just a new poster. I've been lurking on TC since well before the 650 came out, so I do know that it is possible, with suitable contortions and secret codes, to unlock a CDMA phone which isn't yet supposed to be unlocked, and to perhaps even get it running on another carrier that doesn't yet even officially support that model. (Don't get caught!) But this is hardly possible for the 99.9% of the customers who don't have the technical savvy or cojones of TreoCentral power users. Heck, even here on TC, we have not exactly been overwhelmed with reports of people "Sprintizing" their Verizon 700ws. Given that even intra-US CDMA "carrier leakage" is negligible, I can't see how Verizon has much to worry about regarding US-->Canada carrier leakage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    I can see your point about them (Verizon) not wanting to share the glory with a foreign carrier that didn't also share the development costs, but I'm still not seeing where Verizon would actually lose any revenue. Consider the two alternate scenarios for the first 6 months after the 700w is announced:

    1) The hypothetical arrrangement: 700w is exclusive to Verizon in US only, but exclusive to other carriers in Canada, Mexico, etc. Verizon sells X of them in the US, Telus (say) sells Y of them in Canada, etc. Palm gets its cut of the revenue of total sales of X+Y units.

    2) The reality: 700w is exclusive to Verizon in US only, and is not available elsewhere. Verizon STILL sells only X of them in the US. Telus sells none in Canada, but those would-be 700w customers in Canada end up buying something else or nothing at all. Palm's revenue cut is thus based on only X (not X+Y) total units.

    How would Verizon come off any worse either way? The development subsidies they gave to Palm are already sunk costs. Their profit depends on how many units they sell (and how much subscriber revenue they bring in) once the model goes on sale. Keeping Sprint at bay for 6 months will help increase Verizon's revenue by steering some customers who otherwise would have signed up for a 700w at Sprint into instead signing up at Verizon. But keeping Telus and Bell at bay for 6 months doesn't bring in any additional dollars to Verizon, because Bell's and Telus's prospective 700w customers can't turn to Verizon as an alternative.
    This is an interesting point, but as I brought up earlier, it is completely hypothetical, because Palm can do this but hasn't actually done it. So we're just arguing both sides of a hypothetical situation.

    That being said, Verizon still does have revenue to lose when phones migrate, because if you sell your 700W and go back to a plain-old phone, you may downgrade from their ridiculously overpriced $45/mo EVDO plan. Sprint has a lot less to lose when they're only charging $15/mo for a similar plan.



    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    I know that we're speculating about what the arrangements will be for the 700p, but my original followup message was to the part that mentioned Verizon's 6-month exclusive on the 700w. I believe your exact words in post 51 of this thread referred to the "exclusive deal that Verizon is getting with the 700W." My point was that if Sprint were to come out with a new Treo in June, it couldn't be the 700w without violating Verizon's alleged 6-month exclusivity period, which would end in July. (This all assumes that the 6-month figure is valid, something which Jack Naylor has called into question.) Thus, if we do get something from Sprint in June (or earlier), it is likely to be the 700p (yay!) instead of the 700w.
    I'm not really sure what you mean here. I was referring to a possible Christmas release of the 700P in Canada if Sprint was given the same exclusivity period as Verizon on the 700W. I wasn't talking about whether Sprint was getting the 700W or the 700P in June or July.



    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
    I'm not actually new here, just a new poster. I've been lurking on TC since well before the 650 came out, so I do know that it is possible, with suitable contortions and secret codes, to unlock a CDMA phone which isn't yet supposed to be unlocked, and to perhaps even get it running on another carrier that doesn't yet even officially support that model. (Don't get caught!) But this is hardly possible for the 99.9% of the customers who don't have the technical savvy or cojones of TreoCentral power users. Heck, even here on TC, we have not exactly been overwhelmed with reports of people "Sprintizing" their Verizon 700ws. Given that even intra-US CDMA "carrier leakage" is negligible, I can't see how Verizon has much to worry about regarding US-->Canada carrier leakage.
    The internet is a beautiful thing. These aren't the days of BBS' anymore, where information was hidden and only the lucky ones had access to these kinds of secrets. It wouldn't have been difficult to cull information from this website about unlocking a Sprint 650 with a simple Google search. Don't underestimate the general public's ability to read a post in a forum. Do you know how many TiVo tips and tricks I've pulled off of message boards I don't belong to or lurk in? A complete Treo noob could have his 650 Verizonized in 10 minutes with a decent search. There are very few people in here who have a good understanding of Treo hacking, the rest of us are just following in their footsteps.
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    did perry play devil's advocate to his own devil's advocaate ?
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