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    would there be a market for a wifi-capable treo that lacks the phone feature? what if palm packed such device with a ton of additional multimedia features in place of the phone component? satellite radio for instance - just one example. since the phone would be gone, palm could install a much bigger screen with higher resolution for those who desire more real estate in this area - AND have a keyboard to boot.

    2-4 gigs ram, 320 x 480 screen, full keyboard, 624mhz processor, hard keys previously assigned to phone functions now attributable to additional pda features, no antenna, and potentially, a significantly thinner form factor - like the motorola razor.

    I know the tungsten c is still around but incredibly palm has yet to upgrade its design in any way whatsoever. its a stale model.
    a keyboard is, in my opinion, is an indispensable feature on a pda or smartphone. I've become so dependent on this feature, that if a pda lacks a keyboard, there's almost no point in giving it a second look.
    so for those who may not need the phone feature but want a newer, full featured pda with wifi and a keyboard, would this be attractive? since the treo is so popular, I just think they should use its form factor to help revive its dying pda business. pack the goodies we all want into a device with the winning form factor of the treo, and they just might have something.
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    I wouldnt buy it...
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    lol. that was fast!!
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    Do you remember when Handspring used to sell those phone attachments to your Visor? Why take the phone out?
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    Sounds like a good Life Drive replacement. If it had 128MB RAM, 4GB hard drive and a newer version of Palm OS, I think it might sell. But we can't really know for sure.

    The Tungsten C definitely should have been updated long ago.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    the reason I thought of taking the phone out was that palm seems reluctant to put wifi in its palm os treos. I was just tossing this around as a possible solution for those who want a pda with the treo form factor and wifi.

    what I'm really thinking about here is a line of about 4 different treo models - one being solely a pda. palm could release the hollywood treo (high end for advanced users) , the lowrider treo ( entry level users) the 700p ( if this isn't the hollywood), and the treo pda - which, as ladytreo said, might act as a replacement for the lifedrive and/or tungsten models, to possibly help revive palm's deteriorating pda business.

    while there's no doubt in my mind that it makes more sense to just make one all-in-one device, I realize there are others who may not want all of that and don't want the monthly phone service fee.

    its just one possible solution.
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    Palm's PDA business is going down the drain too? I thought they were doing well in that area!
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    IMO Palm will never make a keyboard PDA that could cannibalize treo sales...
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    well palm has admitted that their future lies with the treo. I recall reading reports that pda shipments have been steadily decreasing year over year, and that the treo constituted the majority of palm's revenue last year. I'm pretty sure they've been losing marketshare (in the pda sector) to other brands, so that's why I'm saying that.
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    cannabalize treo sales? I'm not sure that would be the case - those who want a treo smartphone certainly won't go for a pda instead. I don't think it would cannabalize treo sales, I think it could possibly increase their their pda sales potentially - particularly in europe - as palm sales of pdas are down significantly more, I believe.
    when handspring had the treo 90, for instance, they were making good use of the treo design to capture marketshare in both the pda and communicator sectors. why can't palm do this again?
    I thought the treo 90 was a fantastic pda compared to what was available at the time, and it was popular. my wife STILL has hers, and absolutely loves it. its the keyboard, in my opinion, that makes the handheld most useful - it speeds up data input - which is what a handheld is designed for.
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    that's not to say all people want keyboards on a pda. some will still go for a tungsten form factor instead, I'm just suggesting that palm produce both to offer a little more variety.
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    I so miss my Treo's keyboard.. I'd gladly give up a bit of screen realestate on my Axim x51v for a thumbboard. If this device had bluetooth and wifi together I'd probably strongly consider it.
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    You're bascially talking about a dedicated Treo-like device with VoIP SIP client etc preinstalled? This could work, but there are many other alternatives out like various WM devices that have both phone and wifi radios already. I'ld much rather have Palm add wifi, but not at the expense of the cellular radios. Additionally there are various "dumb" VoIP handsets coming out like the one below:

    http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keat...pe-product.asp
    http://laptops.engadget.com/2006/02/...for-pre-order/

    These look and function very much like traditional cellular feature phones. it would be hard for a high end device like the Treo to compete with cheaper alternatives like these. For that the Treo would have to offer much more additional functionlity like seamles switching to cellular networks, LBS, and all the other smartphone/pda functionality to warrant the price imo...
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    Then they can come out with a cdma sd- card so you can use it as a phone.

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    How about just release PalmOS for laptop? Get those old ultra slim laptop w/ 512MB RAM, 10GB HDD, and you can boot up your POS in 2 sec~
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    well palm has admitted that their future lies with the treo. I recall reading reports that pda shipments have been steadily decreasing year over year, and that the treo constituted the majority of palm's revenue last year. I'm pretty sure they've been losing marketshare (in the pda sector) to other brands, so that's why I'm saying that.
    But yet their stock is supposed to be higher this year. But many are predicting the death of the Palm OS. I'm so confused about all the conflicting reports, I'm tempted to simply just move entirely to WM5 for the rest of the year and wait until next year to see if Palm gets any better.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    the treo is a big reason why palm's stock has done so well this year. but another reason - and one that's played a pretty big part - is that rimm has been in trouble this year.
    the possibility of blackberry's shutdown fueled speculation that the treo, now coupled with windows mobile 5.0 and active sync, could be the option corporate executives might opt for if such a shutdown were to take place. push email is possible with microsoft, and the fact that palm partnered with mr gates is a big cause for the stock surge.
    if the judge rules for rimm soon, you might see a pullback in palm's stock as rimm's stock price ramps back up 10% or so.
    I don't think palm is in trouble at all. they're going to do fine with the treo in the future. its just that the pda market is very precarious, and that's why I thought bringing some of the treo's features into that area might help them out a bit.
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    you bring up a good point, gfunk.
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    It's not a crazy idea, but I think most of the VOIP-type applications are written for Windows Mobile. Skype, Slingbox, XM and such have to work on the Palm platform for this to really take off, I'd think. Or maybe this would be Palm on Windows type device.

    While there are dedicated VOIP phones, those are simply phones and not multipurpose devices, like a Treo without a phone would be.

    Treo's without a phone do exist, by the way. Everyone forget the Treo 90?
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