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  1.    #1  
    The other thread is ridiculously long. I thought we can use another one just to discuss the Treo 700p spec.

    So this is for the people who believe in the 700p. Thanks Merlyn_3D. If you have doubt about the leak, this thread is for you.

    * PalmOS 5.4.9/1.3Mp camera/320X320 screen/EVDO
    this is exactly what I expect from a 650 successor. Conservative and incremental upgrade.

    * Bluetooth 2.0 (<--not comfirmed)
    Holy sh!t Palm finally get back to the bleeding edge of the technology once for a change.

    * CUP speed same as 650 but double the memory size

    * Bundled pTunes. Well they did it for the LifeDrive so it makes sense to me.

    * No wifi, well that's Palm for you. But again there is EVDO so no biggie.

    * Lack of menu button?
    I donno, why are there a green call button and a "phone" button up there? Aren't they the same thing? Hopefully I can use one of them as "menu" button in other apps.

    * The look
    I like the black accent in the new 700w/p. But I am not too crazy about the black antenna. It looks even more out of place. I still like the originally 600 look the best. O well I will be using the leather case anyway.

    * Release date.
    Big question here. For the 700w, every leak or rumor pointed to very similar ballpark, beginning of '06. But for this badboy, we have heard feb, march, april, and god forbid, august. We got the 650 at Dec 2004, when can we get the 700p I can't wait!
    Last edited by whatever7; 02/04/2006 at 03:34 PM.
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    Good idea for a new thread. I posted some of this in the other thread but I'll repost it here (with extra stuff)...

    Overall, I'm a bit disappointed with the 700p. Here are some reasons...

    1) New button layout. It's got the same number and placement of buttons as the 650, so there was no need for them to rearrange them unless they really came up with a better idea as to how/where they should be placed. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing buttons moved around in ways that are worse than the 650's button placement. Why is there a Phone button *and* a green button? What I would have done is to merge the Phone, Home, and Calendar buttons into a single Phone/Home button (where the Phone button currently is on the 650). It would launch an improved Phone app that has the day's events (a la the Agenda view on the Calendar app) as well as quick-launch (a la Treo 600) using the directional pad to three commonly used apps with the down-press going to the full Application view.

    2) Phone app. It looks unchanged from the 650. I thought the Phone app on the 600 was better than the 650. I had hoped they would have *at least* seen the error in their ways and switched back to the quick-launch functionality that the 600 had and/or incorporated a new Phone app similar to the 700w's. In short, I'm not seeing much evidence of *any* software improvements. But that's where I'm hoping that this is a preproduction model and the real devices will have some software surprises.

    3) Camera. Whoop-de-doo, it's more megapixels than the 650's. But it looks like it may have the same craptacular PQ as the 700w's (which, IMO, looks worse than the 650's).

    4) Keyboard/D-Pad design. I haven't tried a 700w in person, so I guess I should try and hunt one down before I criticize this too much. But I personally think that every Treo's thumbboard has gotten worse with each iteration. The Treo 300's was decent, but could use some improvements. With the 600, they squashed things together too tightly in order to make the phone narrower, but at least Hawkins knew enough to make the keys shaped such that pushing down on a key with your thumb wouldn't accidentally hit all of the nearby keys. The 650 threw away that idea by making the keys flatter and I find that it's much harder for me to type without making lots of typos. Same goes for the D-Pad. The 600's D-Pad was close to perfection, IMO. I could rest my thumb on it and comfortably move in all directions without accidentally pressing the center button (except when I intended to). The 650's sucks in comparison. I have to push on the edges and move my thumb more to each edge to avoid hitting that big stuck-out center button.

    In short...does it really take over a year to come out with a new device that's just got minimal improvements (and some steps backward) as compared to the 650? And where are the usability geniuses that brought us the original Palm Pilot and the Treo 600? Hawkins seems to be MIA these days, leaving the design group to be run by people who don't have enough usability sense.

    Now am I saying I won't buy one? Sadly, I probably will. While there's much about my 650 that I'd love to change, it's still the best device out there right now (for my needs), and the promise of Ev-DO in this new device is probably too compelling for me to forego. Hopefully they've improved Blazer so that it isn't so darn slow (and hopefully it keeps pages cached like Xiino).
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
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    Merlin mentioned early on that the Menu button was back at the bottom just as it was on the Treo 600 (right shift)

    Also, it's something like 62MB free after hard reset. Sound like very good specs to me.
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    EV-DO <====This is the one.
    More Memory
    Better Camera
    Better Bluetooth I assume.
    Other operational tweaks?
    Possible FAT32 for greater than 2GB SD cards (This is my iPod)

    It's an upgrade to me.
    (#2 daughter is taking the 650 as a 4/24 Birthday present, so I can add a new line and get the discount.)

    Cheers, Perry
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    I think it's bogus. I think it's a photochop, although a pretty good one.


    EDIT: OK, looks like I was wrong. But this is one time I might be glad to eat crow.
    Last edited by meyerweb; 02/04/2006 at 03:38 PM.
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    As someone who has used the 700w keypad it is an improvement especially if you have big fingers.
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    I have my doubts....the new button layout just doesn't make sense
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    again...BT app is 2.0 (palm app that is in ROM)

    no info has been posted about BT stack info
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome
    I have my doubts....the new button layout just doesn't make sense
    It does if they are giving an app button back. If the "Phone" iconed button is contacts back I would actually like this.
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    No GSM? sigh. No stubby-less? sigh.

    Palm, as usual takes incremental steps. They still have the best mobile OS, though.
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    Since this is cdma an antenna was unavoidable. Unfortunately, if this is what Palm had in mind for us to wait for, I'm afraid I am disappointed. Sadly, they also know we will settle for this because there is just no POS competition.

    <sigh> I'm not sure I'll be "upgrading" this time Palm.
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    It has Voice Memo's using the button under the volume controls
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever7
    ...* No wifi, well that's Palm for you. But again there is EVDO so no biggie...
    I've been asleep for awhile -- but isn't this the same movie that was playin when I got on the plane ???

    how many times have they announced Wifi card capability ??

    600, 650, now 700P ??

    must be that bad street food thats making me have this delusional dream again and again ... I need to throw up ...
    755P Sprint SERO (upgraded from unlocked GSM 650 on T-Mobile)
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    I would upgrade depending on the price to upgrade (i.e. if I can sell the Treo 650 for a decent amount, sign another year contract for $75-$100, get some kind of loyalty discount, etc.). If it's between $100-$200 it might be worth it for EVDO. With Wifi capability it would probably be worth another $50 to me. The biggest thing would be applications like a Slingbox player and Skype to go with the wifi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland
    I would upgrade depending on the price to upgrade (i.e. if I can sell the Treo 650 for a decent amount, sign another year contract for $75-$100, get some kind of loyalty discount, etc.). If it's between $100-$200 it might be worth it for EVDO. With Wifi capability it would probably be worth another $50 to me. The biggest thing would be applications like a Slingbox player and Skype to go with the wifi.

    So you're the one writing the POS Skype client -- I am most relieved ...
    755P Sprint SERO (upgraded from unlocked GSM 650 on T-Mobile)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchtrumpet
    again...BT app is 2.0 (palm app that is in ROM)

    no info has been posted about BT stack info
    The currect BT app on 650 is 1.0 right? If it supports only BT1.2 specification shouldn't you name your BT app 1.2 as well? The PalmOS versioning itself is very conservative.

    If it supports BT1.2 only, can you still do stereo music over bluetooth? I don't even care about multiple BT connections at the moment.

    No GSM? sigh. No stubby-less? sigh.

    Palm, as usual takes incremental steps. They still have the best mobile OS, though.
    Since one of the rest of two unreleased Treo is the low end model, you would think they will build the same model for Cingular and the European market, that probably means an antenna-less, GSM+edge+HSDPA+(UMTS?) model. I can't wait any longer, I am jumping on this one. Plus I am affaird they would put wm5 on the GSM model.
    Last edited by whatever7; 02/04/2006 at 12:26 AM.
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    you know I see the 700p being like the 650 was for the 600.

    small step that looked great- but this time, I think I'm going to wait this version out some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R
    ...does it really take over a year to come out with a new device that's just got minimal improvements (and some steps backward) as compared to the 650? And where are the usability geniuses that brought us the original Palm Pilot and the Treo 600? Hawkins seems to be MIA these days, leaving the design group to be run by people who don't have enough usability sense.
    Well if palm was working on 4 Treo's at once vs 1 a year for the past 3-4 years I can see how their resources could be streached.

    Treo 600 was the best looking Treo so far, that phone app was perfect. I may start programing again just so I can recreate it and include the feature were you can make a call by the name or the number.

    I cannot wait to see what Palm has in mind for the Hollywood GSM phone!

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    As a GSM user this obviously doesn't really matter to me, and if I were a CDMA user, I think I would be disappointed. It seems like just a small step. I guess EVDO would be nice but that was an absolute guarantee on the next Treo - no surprises there. There's really no wow-factor with it. I think a lot of people use memory management apps (such as Zlauncher) so the extra memory really is not a concern. I've never had an issue with too little memory - that's what the SD card is for. I'm waiting for the next GSM treo (and really hope it is running PalmOS!). There we may see a new form factor (thinner, internal antenna). These are what I would like to see. And it would be just really great to have WiFi. Most of the other smartphones have it and I am around WiFi hotspots the majority of the time and would use it. I still don't think the HSDPA/UMTS roll-out is happening very fast, so most likely at the realease of the GSM Treo, there's not going to be a lot of places to pick up the fast data connect. I really like the PalmOS but I need features too. Who knows, we'll just have to wait - this is just prelim specs - there could be a surprise at the actual release.
  20. #20  
    I think the GSM version hasn't been announced for the simple reason you stated, the UMTS/HSDPA rollout hasn't been moving very quickly. On the other hand, I think the GSM market is huge for Palm, considering all of Europe and parts of Asia are on GSM. I believe we will see a more sleeker and robust Treo for the GSM crowd to appease european tastes.

    The 700p doesn't excite me much, but it is a nice incremental upgrade. Garnet isn't so bad if they fixed some of the lingering issues in previous versions. I would like to think that Palm is doing the right thing, not rushing a PalmLinux version and making sure it is better than anything else out there.

    At least I hope so.
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