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  1.    #1  
    Hello all
    So I just ordered one the Cingular Refurb 650s as I am sure others have. I am not completely new to Palm, I have been using a Zire 71 for a while that I will be selling now. I haven't carried it as much as I would have cared to because of needing it and a phone, so I am hoping these problems will be solved. I will not be using the net features right away due to data costs. My only main app I am looking forward to is mp3 and vids, (occasionally, like while going out and what not). I have read of some of the issues on here and am hoping they are somewhat isolated.

    Here are my specific questions, for now:

    1. Headphones, I have seen some that are both for mp3 and talking use. Reliability? Sound quality? Are these a better solution than the adapter thing? I hope to eventually get a Bluetooth, but won't be right away and wouldn't work for mp3 anyway.

    2. Do I need to check for any software OS upgrades? Where to look?

    3. I have read of running some apps from the SD card? Never tried this on my Zire. Anything to this?

    4. Anything else I absolutely must do to get started?

    I don't plan on loading this thing down with apps, especially right away. I do plan on looking more into the DUN thing and Wi-fi card since I won't be doing a data plan. Any other advice before it gets here?
  2. #2  
    Hi emunch, welcome!

    I can help with questions 3 & 4 (I don't have direct experience with items in your questions 1 & 2):

    3. I have read of running some apps from the SD card? Never tried this on my Zire. Anything to this?
    Yep, and it rocks. Because of the Treo 650's limited RAM, running some apps off the SD Card is a great idea. There are utilities that can help you set this up. My favorite is Powerrun.

    4. Anything else I absolutely must do to get started?
    Read the 650 manual, browse Treocentral, and do searches on specific items you want more info about. Also, here's a Palm.com faq that I found very helpful when I got my 650: Palm's Treo 650 Tips & Tricks

    Enjoy your Treo!
  3. #3  
    Do Not Sync Directly To Your Zire Userid !!

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...=clean+install
    Follow clean install instructions in post #2 of this thread.

    Cheers and Welcome !!

    The 650 is a decent mp3 and it sure beats carrying 2 devices. People on this forum love Pocket Tunes for it's usability and other Web streaming features. I use RealPlayer and songs from their Web site. Either way -- go fot it. Earphones are a must, the rear speaker is just adequate for music. MP3s take up 5 to 6mb a piece -- so an SD card is a must. 1GB at least if you are going to be doing music.

    Yes -- best to update your 3rd party software to the latest. Look on your Zire for each app you want to take over to the 650 -- do the pull down "about" (usually under options) in each software. Find the maker's web site and go there to find and download the latest version. Install them fresh onto the 650.

    Install Docs to Go from the 650 CD -- it allows you to open, view and edit Microsoft Office documents that may come in emails. If you do want Docs to Go -- then also get this tool after installing it:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=83240
    Last edited by gtwo; 01/24/2006 at 06:12 PM.
  4.    #4  
    Thanks guys. Phone should be here today. I am going to just create a new user id and copy over contacts I still want. I need to clean out and start over on the calendar as well. There are only a few dumb apps I am moving over, some easy games. The only thing I may move that is important is the video player I was using, Kinoma I think. I may not, though, as I need a free player that will do mpeg4 and I haven't found one yet.

    Email and streaming music aren't an issue right now, as I said I can't afford the $40 a month data charge from Cingular. Might in the future once I get some other things arranged.

    I do have a 512 and 128 card at home, might be able to do mp3 on the 512 and maybe some of the apps on the 128.

    I am looking at the in the ear type headphones, anyone have experience with any one in particular? Looking at these:
    http://store.treocentral.com/content...11-29--503.htm

    Thanks again.
  5. #5  
    I like the 2n1 format. One touch swapping between call ancd music.

    What about TCPMP for video?
    Last edited by gtwo; 01/25/2006 at 09:34 AM.
  6.    #6  
    Not familiar with that one. Was using Kinoma on the Zire with Kinoma producer, but it won't play mpeg4 unless I pay for the full upgrade.
  7. #7  
    Mis-typed: TCPMP

    Freeware -- many on this forum love it, searching for thread now. . .

    http://blog.treonauts.com/2005/04/omg_now_full_vi.html

    http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=53&release_id=99
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    OS Upgrades - http://www.palm.com/us/support/downl.../cingular.html

    Stereo Headphones - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...ntronics_590a/

    BT Headset - ersonally I have had great luck with the Treo BT headset which saves me the trouble of carrying an extra charger.

    Tunes and Movies - Real Player comes standard ....afficionados seem to love Pocket Tunes. TCPMP for movies.

    SD card - buy a 2 gigger from newegg.com (using A-Data here). Will need a card manager to swap programs back and forth....I use PowerRun.

    I'd suggest avoiding the urge to fill the thing up with programs the first day. Try and hold out a week (you won't make it ) but a few days at least to establish a baseline of performance and stability without mucking up the works.

    RTFM ! and again

    After installing the software from the CD, imemdiately do the Cingular update. Hold off installing the other software on the CD for time being. FIRST program you should unstall is Northglide's Uninstall Manager, most often bought in the NeatFreakPak which also includes Cleanup. This will track what files get installed with each program and makes it easier to remove programs and eliminate problems which cause stability and perfrmance issues.

    Bigger programs and ones which replace Palm functions seem to be the cause of most stability / performance issues. The following should be enough to get you started with most needed tasks as well as some that are just fun.

    Adobe Reader Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.adobe.com/
    Alternate is PalmPDF (do a search to find link)

    BackUpBuddyVFSPro Shareware $ 19.95 http://www.bluenomad.com/
    Backs up your Palm to SD Card. Also Windows component offered but can case problems during ROM upgrades so I dropped Windows programs and just use SD card. For intermediate "live" as you edit changes to your Palm Databases, consider Northglide's OnGuardBackup (NeatFreakPlus Pak)

    Bonzai Shareware $ 15.95 http://www.natara.com/Bonsai/index.cfm
    Has both desktop and Palm component, schedulng / task monitoring program

    CleanUp Shareware $ 9.95 http://www.northglide.com/
    Part of the Northglide Bundle

    Converter Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.freewarepalm.com/calculator/converter.shtml
    Unit Converter

    CrashPro Shareware $ 14.95 http://www.79bmedia.de/content/view/12/49/
    Freeware version available but Pro version logs crashes and reasons they happened making it worth the purchase.

    Directory Assistant Freeware $ 0.00 http://home.triad.rr.com/rlwhitt/palm/index.html#da
    Yellow / white pages

    DueYesterday Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.nosleep.net/
    Task Completion / Monitoring prigram....desktop and Palm components.

    FileZ Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.nosleep.net/
    File Manager for Palm

    FlightStatus Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.freewarepalm.com/travel/flightstatus.shtml
    Track your flight arrival / depart times.....real nice when ya don't wanna pay stiff airport parking fees.....can monitor arrival time and pull up out front just when your business associate getting of plane.

    Metro Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.nanika.net/Metro
    Mass tranbsportation "How do I get from here to there" for major cities....lots of cities.

    MiniBar Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.freewarepalm.com/hobbies/minibar.shtml
    Good for wanna be bartenders

    NeatFreakPak Shareware $ 18.50 http://www.northglide.com/

    PalmPuke Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.chronologic.se/Palm/palmpuke.html
    Makes noise when your SD card accidentally pops out.....wanna prevent a $125 loss, get this or one like it.

    PowerRun Shareware $ 15.00 http://simple-palm.com/index-e.html
    Previously described...manages your switching of stuff back and forth to / from SD card

    PowerUp Freeware $ 0.00 http://mytreo.net/downloads/details-418.html?PowerUp
    Turns Phone back on after a crash or shutdown.

    Softick Card Export Commercial $ 14.95 http://www.softick.com/
    Lets you mount SD card as a virtual drive on your windows desktop / laptop

    SoundRec Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.infinityball.com/soundrec.aspx
    Take vocie memos

    Stoic Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/stoic(stayonincradle).shtml
    Lets your Palm Screen Stay On In Cradle

    Thumbscan Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.headrush.net/palm/
    Nice goof program...does fake thumbscan and tells your friends they failed security scan and therefore are wanted by FBI....fun when waiting to board flights

    TideTool Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.toolworks.com/bilofsky/tidetool/
    You fish ?

    TimeManagerPad (TMP) Shareware $ 16.95 http://lilredspider.com/TMP/features.html
    Dandly little "front end" for the palm calendar program

    TimeSyncXT Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.handydev.com
    Function included in various other utilities liek Treo Alarm but handy oif you don't have those. Syncs your time with your HotSync windows machine

    TipPro Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.pdasoftnet.com/tippro/index.htm
    If you do business with governement employees and need to split the tab and calculate tax and tip....

    TrackerDog Freeware $ 0.00 http://trackerdog.a0soft.com/
    Checks all your software to see if you have latest versions

    TreoAlarm Shareware $ 14.95 http://www.treoalarm.com/download.html
    Treo has only one alarm. I use this utility to turn phone off on and off at different times on weekdays and weekends, audible alrms to wake me up, downloads weather forecasts, syncs time. Don't know if still offered but used to include free copy of Remote Lock which allows you to shut down lost Treo by sending it a text message.

    VoiceDial Commercial $ 19.95 http://www.voicesignal.com/index.php3
    Voice activated calling / dialing....14 day trail on Palm CD

    Uninstall Manager Shareware $ 14.95 http://www.northglide.com/
    Previosly described "1st app"

    VFSMark Freeware $ 0.00 http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/vfsmark.shtml
    SD card speed checker.

    Astraware Sudoku Shareware $9.95 for a few more days on Palm website
    http://software.palm.com/us/html/dis...?id=prod490518

    I included on this list only prorams that I have personally used and that I have never heard of as causing stability and / or performance problems. A few are needed, a few are useful and a few are just for fun. Certainly enough here to keep your idle time busy whel you search the forum here for what else you are going to need.
    Last edited by JackNaylorPE; 01/25/2006 at 01:21 PM.
  9. #9  
    Wow Jack, that should go into the Hall of Fame or something. . .
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  10.    #10  
    Wow, lots of apps there. Can't say I would need most of them. Definitely can't afford all of them, especially here at first. On a pretty tight budget here. It is only because of the refurb deal and selling some things I am getting it. Like I said, can't even get a data plan. Have to stick with my current SD too. Teacher pay sucks.
  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by emunch
    Hello all
    So I just ordered one the Cingular Refurb 650s as I am sure others have. I am not completely new to Palm, I have been using a Zire 71 for a while that I will be selling now. I haven't carried it as much as I would have cared to because of needing it and a phone, so I am hoping these problems will be solved. I will not be using the net features right away due to data costs. My only main app I am looking forward to is mp3 and vids, (occasionally, like while going out and what not). I have read of some of the issues on here and am hoping they are somewhat isolated.

    Here are my specific questions, for now:

    1. Headphones, I have seen some that are both for mp3 and talking use. Reliability? Sound quality? Are these a better solution than the adapter thing? I hope to eventually get a Bluetooth, but won't be right away and wouldn't work for mp3 anyway.

    2. Do I need to check for any software OS upgrades? Where to look?

    3. I have read of running some apps from the SD card? Never tried this on my Zire. Anything to this?

    4. Anything else I absolutely must do to get started?

    I don't plan on loading this thing down with apps, especially right away. I do plan on looking more into the DUN thing and Wi-fi card since I won't be doing a data plan. Any other advice before it gets here?
    #1)
    I reccomend doing several things:
    First I recommend the (way overpriced) Treo 650 hybrid headset. The sound quality is relatively poor (cheap quality) but it works for both phone calls and stereo music. Best of all it needs no adapter. This is the one I end up carrying around most for listening to MobiTV, MP3s, etc. This one is merely for convenience alone (only 1 thing to carry.)
    Get the adapter so you can use normal headphones/earbuds. This way you can use good quality headphones when you care. If you get this you don't need the hybrid, but I find the adapter to be inconvenient at times.
    If you do a lot of handsfree phonecalls, get a bluetooth headset. There are a lot out there and a vast majority of them suck. You get what you pay for. The higher end Motorola and Sony's you generally can't go wrong with, but do some research (here is a good place.)

    #2)
    It's quite likely you might need to update the software. They should do this when it's refurbed, but it depends how long ago it was refurbished.
    Check here for the latest version:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/downl...reo650updater/
    Also if you want the hack for manual network selection
    http://www.gadgetech.info/treo/hacks/selectnetwork/
    (if you don't know what this is or don't care, you don't need it.)

    #3)
    Basic rule of thumb is that the main apps will usually run from the SD card. But any additional files that get installed with the app need to be in memory. The same goes with anything other apps may need to find such as a web browser that your email program might need to find.
    Also if it's an app that runs in background (email programs, utilities) you need to keep them in RAM.
    Also if it's something you want as your default app or assigned to a button, keep it in RAM.
    Treat these on a case by case basis. I try to keep as much in RAM as I can an only move rarely used programs or the biggest memory hogs to the card.

    One tip is to install the app normally in RAM.
    Then use the program FileZ to move only the main program's PRC file to the SD card keeping any codecs, themes, databases, or other supporting files in RAM.

    #4)
    Must have apps:
    Xiino web browser. Also get Fonts4OS5 so you can add high-res fonts to Xiino.
    FileZ file manager (free).
    Snappermail and Chatter Mail make great alternatives to Versamail.
    Other apps to consider:
    IBM Java VM (free from Palm support site.) if you want to use any Java apps. But it takes a huge amount of RAM.
    Opera Mini http://mini.opera.com/ (requires Java) as another web browser.
    Treo 750 (AT&T)
    Treo600->Treo650->Cing8525->Blackberry 8700c->Treo750->AT&T Tilt->Treo750->iPhone 3G
  12. #12  
    The only, to me anyway, essential stuff for the first month is Northglide NeatFreak ($26.95), File Z ($0), PowerRUN ($14.95 or equivalent), STOIC ($0) , VoiceDial ($19.95 might as well have freebie nokia phone w/o it), DA ($0) and PalmPuke ($0 or equivalent) Crash ($0 freeware version) .....$62. I found a discountr code by seraching the web that took $8 or my northglide purchase.
  13. #13  
    There are many threads on "must have" applications. The results of a poll done here (with links) is in this sticky thread.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=102212
    --
    Aloke
    Cingular GSM
    Software:Treo650-1.17-CNG
    Firmware:01.51 Hardware:A
  14.    #14  
    Well, got it today. Had to do the dreaded "wait for charging" before I got to play, but it didn't take too long. Got it activated, contacts put in, added docs to go, though I don't know when I will ever use it. Beamed over a few of my favorite simple games (Dope wars, 15 number) and took a pic of the wife. Cool little gadget. I am going to try out the vid program on the old palm first, since it will be reset anyway before I sell it. That might be a few days before I get to that. Looked at a lot of the other "must have" programs and there just don't seem to be a lot that I must have with what I am doing. Some of you are nuts with all you have on this thing. Trying to keep it as simple as I can while I enjoy it.

    Also looking into changing our rate plan so I can add Data. What kind of a success have people had just adding the $20 media plan and not the Palm $40 plan? Anything that won't work with it.

    Oh, and got a 20% off coupon for the Palm store. Looks like I might be able to squeeze out a bluetooth headset, everything else is probably going to have to wait.
  15. #15  
    Just:

    1. Log onto your account on the Cingular web site
    2. Se;lect your phone if your phone is not the primary account number
    3. Go to My Features Page
    4. Add Media Net for $19.99

    https://www.cingular.com/media/media_net_purchase

    Get free month if you sign up before the 28th of January
  16.    #16  
    Did it, hope the wife doesn't kill me!
  17. #17  
    Wait till ya get something real cool and then lend ya wife the phone......my wife "beaned me" (my code for B'ing & M'ing ... B&M Bakedd Beans get ir ) about getting "such and expensive phone. She borrowed my car today to take my son to a doctor and was "bean'ing" again about having to go cause she didn't know where it was.

    Told her that my phone was in cradle and just hit "navigator" program....The GPS program took her right to the door and now she wants one.....cool thing tho with Cingular I don't have to buy her one. When she gotta go somewhere and I don't need car which is most often the case, we just swap sims and My phone becomes HER phone !

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