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    A guy at work got a Verizon Treo 700w in NYC. Found it in an independent cell phone shop, not at a Verizon store as they're all sold out. Although I'm a Palm loyalist, I must say the 700w intrigued me. We compared Treos after work (kinda like two school kids in the men's room, I know) and suddenly I was less impressed. Accessing the same web page was an eye-opener. With EVDO he had the page displayed, fully drawn, before I had even started downloading it. Gotta give the 700w high marks for that! But everything else left me feeling like my 650 was superior. WM5 is way more complicated and changing a setting seemed to take lots more sub-menus. Maybe I'm just so used to the Palm OS I'm more comfortable with how it works. I couldn't stand his calendar or contact manager, but again, this could simply be due to my long association with Palm's apps. What really turned me off to his 700w was the screen. I beamed him a picture from my Treo and we looked at the same picture side-by-side. My screen was significantly sharper than his. The 320x320 vs. 240x240 makes far more difference than I thought it would. Sure, it's a 33% difference and that's a huge percentage, but I really didn't think it would make such an impression on a small screen like the Treos use.

    So I'm offically over my infatuation with the Treo 700w. Yeah, I get a twinge of envy over the EVDO thing, but for now I'll make do with EDGE (when I can get it).
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    Hey Rambo47!

    I'm the forum's numbers geek. (TC's 50,000th member; Insertion's 10,000th Post threads, et cetera.)


    320X320 = 102,400 pixels

    240x240 = 57,600 pixels

    That's 77.77% more pixels.

    Ya, never giving up my 320X320 . . . unless it's for 480x480
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    A 320x320, EVDO, 700p would be incredible.

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    I relate 100% ...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo47
    A guy at work got a Verizon Treo 700w in NYC. Found it in an independent cell phone shop, not at a Verizon store as they're all sold out. Although I'm a Palm loyalist, I must say the 700w intrigued me. We compared Treos after work (kinda like two school kids in the men's room, I know) and suddenly I was less impressed. Accessing the same web page was an eye-opener. With EVDO he had the page displayed, fully drawn, before I had even started downloading it. Gotta give the 700w high marks for that! But everything else left me feeling like my 650 was superior. WM5 is way more complicated and changing a setting seemed to take lots more sub-menus. Maybe I'm just so used to the Palm OS I'm more comfortable with how it works. I couldn't stand his calendar or contact manager, but again, this could simply be due to my long association with Palm's apps. What really turned me off to his 700w was the screen. I beamed him a picture from my Treo and we looked at the same picture side-by-side. My screen was significantly sharper than his. The 320x320 vs. 240x240 makes far more difference than I thought it would. Sure, it's a 33% difference and that's a huge percentage, but I really didn't think it would make such an impression on a small screen like the Treos use.

    So I'm offically over my infatuation with the Treo 700w. Yeah, I get a twinge of envy over the EVDO thing, but for now I'll make do with EDGE (when I can get it).
    I went through the same thing!!!

    My buddy @ work got the 700w. It looked sweet, but once I started playing around with it, I lost interest in it quick. I like how you can directly access what you want to do with the 650. The 700 has too many sub-menus for my liking.

    My buddy is 95% sure he'll be returning it in favor for a Moto V3c. He thinks the 700 is too bulky!!!
    I'm not weird... I'm gifted!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden
    Hey Rambo47!
    240x240 = 57,600 pixels
    Actually 240 by 190, you need to take off the Start menu and the messaging menue.
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    I got an Audiovox SMT5600 to fool around more with Windows Mobile 2003 to see it a little familiarity would make me like the Treo 700w more. Nope. I just can't find another device that does what my -650 and do it better. I keep lovin' this thing!
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    Funnt story, I went to Verizon with my buddy to get him a new phone, switching from Nextel. He wanted to compare the 650 and 700, he ended up getting the 650, mainly because of price. Here's where the funny part came in. The sales rep. was talking about how good the camera was on the 650 vs. the 700. I told him the 700 had a better camera. He told me, no look, and took a picture with both phones, then showed us. I had to tell him it only looked better on the 650 because the screen quality was better, which he didn't know either.....Sheeeeesh.
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    <sigh> everything about the 700w sounds depressing.

    Put a decent camera on it and then make the pictures look bad on a crappy screen. :-(

    side note: I've been looking at the iMate kJam. It has a 1.3 mp camera (like the 700w) but folks are claiming that the quality of the pictures are no better than the 650. In fact one review said that the 650 pictures were BETTER.

    I'll give Palm credit where it is due. they did a "decent" job with the 650 camera, even for a VGA camera. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by driven01
    <sigh> everything about the 700w sounds depressing.
    You sound way down. It seems you were expecting something really great from the 700w, sorry for the dissapointment.
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    I would compare the pics on a computer, that is when you will notice the difference, and there should be a noticeable difference between the 650 and 700. The 700 should look better on a computer being a 1.3 MP, whereas the Treo is under a megapixel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tj8212
    You sound way down. It seems you were expecting something really great from the 700w, sorry for the dissapointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF
    I would compare the pics on a computer, that is when you will notice the difference, and there should be a noticeable difference between the 650 and 700. The 700 should look better on a computer being a 1.3 MP, whereas the Treo is under a megapixel.
    I have no doubt.

    And to be perfectly clear, I'm sure the Treo 700w Camera is spot-on.

    In my other message I was comparing the 650's camera with a 1.3mp camera from the k-jam, which is apparently no better than the VGA camera in the 650. (We have one on order at work .. I'll have to see.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo47
    But everything else left me feeling like my 650 was superior. WM5 is way more complicated and changing a setting seemed to take lots more sub-menus. Maybe I'm just so used to the Palm OS I'm more comfortable with how it works. .....So I'm offically over my infatuation with the Treo 700w. Yeah, I get a twinge of envy over the EVDO thing, but for now I'll make do with EDGE (when I can get it).
    Your name wouldn't perhaps be Sascha Segan ? You pretty much summed up PC Mag's review of the 700w BTW, the 700w got 3.0* compared with Sprint/ Cingular 650's 4.5*):

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1911100,00.asp

    "The most usable one-handed Pocket PC, the Palm Treo 700w, will be welcome in Microsoft-dominated workplaces looking for an e-mail-oriented phone that works with the latest Exchange servers. We can't recommend it as enthusiastically for individual consumers, because it isn't quite as easy to use as the Treo 650 and doesn't take advantage of all the power the Windows Mobile platform has to offer. The Treo 700w is a slightly uncomfortable compromise, but one you can accept cheerfully if your IT department chooses it for you.

    A few physical differences are apparent. Most notably, the super-bright 320-by-320 screen has been replaced by a slightly dimmer 240-by-240 model. That's a big step backwards. The 650's quick-access calendar and e-mail buttons are gone. (Plenty of Pocket PCs have calendar buttons, so this isn't a Windows Mobile issue.) The QWERTY keys are square, making them slightly more susceptible to mistyping than the 650's oval keys. And the center button on the five-way rocker is a bit stiff.

    The 65MB of available storage memory offers enough room for programs, but the 11MB of available program memory is much too small. We got frequent "out of memory" errors and had to go an extra step to close programs. The low memory may also explain why our Treo 700w crashed several times, requiring resets.

    The 312-MHz processor is okay for day-to-day use, but we noted it got slower results on all of our benchmark tests than the competing PPC-6700. Battery life, at 6 hours 15 minutes of continuous video playback, was good for a Pocket PC phone.

    The 240-by-240 screen is just a bad idea. Palm told us it's working with software companies to make sure that Pocket PC programs, which are written mostly for 320-by-240 screens, work on the square screen. But we had one error message run off the screen when we were testing. The screen has 25 percent less space than standard 320-by-240 Pocket PCs and 44 percent less than the 320-by-320 Treo 650. There's no upside to that.

    You can compare the Treo 700w against its predecessor, the 650, or against other Windows Mobile handhelds. The Palm OS used in the Treo 650 still requires fewer taps and clicks than Windows Mobile, uses less battery power in PDA mode, and feels zippier with the 312-MHz processor.

    Windows Mobile's strengths are in the integration with Microsoft workplaces and in high-end features like video playback, Wi-Fi/cellular convergence, high-res screens, powerful processors, and glamorous games. But the Treo 700w's 240-by-240 screen consigns videos to a cramped window (or to having their sides clipped off); there's no Wi-Fi (though EV-DO is nice); and the processor isn't all that fast.

    No perfect smartphone solution is available right now, in our eyes. For power, we'd recommend the Sprint PPC-6700 or its Verizon cousin. Both are smaller and lighter than the Treo and have Wi-Fi, a faster processor, and a bigger display than the Treo's, but they aren't quite as usable one-handed. For e-mail and phone use, we like the BlackBerry 7130e, which has a slim form, light weight, and excellent sound quality (though you'll have to be comfortable with its unusual keyboard). And if high-speed networking isn't important to you, well, the Treo 650 is still out there on store shelves. "

    For me the screen is a deal killer. I use small fonts on programs that offer it like TMP and this would be hard on the 240 x 240. As Palm gets a chance to improve 5 way and 1 handed useage, with a faster processor and some additional memory, I could be convinced.
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    For the zillionth time...more megapixels does not necessarily mean better pictures. It *should* mean more detail (unless they really screwed up) but there are several other factors that come into play when evaluating the quality of the end result (e.g., color saturation, low-light sensitivity, etc.). The (few) pictures I've seen so far from the Treo 700w look a bit worse than the 650. I really think we need to see more comparison photos.
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
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    The *ONLY* camera phone I've seen with really "good" pictures is the Sony Ericcson K750i/w800.
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    Treonauts did a comparison of the two cameras with some side by side pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driven01
    <sigh> everything about the 700w sounds depressing

    See the treos or any other high tech device has planned obsolescence. The thing is, this one smells obsolete way more than the 650 does. I would have to say the 700 is more of a slap in the face for windows...

    Its a palm with windows in it, and its crappy, because windows is crappy. So one could say its full of *cough* crap.
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    Actually, one of the best cameras I've used in a smart device was in the Hitachi G1000, but that thing was HUGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisko
    Treonauts did a comparison of the two cameras with some side by side pics.

    Thanks for the link. Overall, the 700 cam doesn't seem that much better tho the 650 cam seems to have too much color saturation...
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