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  1. #141  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    "I think the problem here is that ppl keep thinking of wireless networking as something you use to surf the web....and that's it. So taking a T1 or DSL connection speed into consideration, EVDO will do well.

    HOWEVER, if I want to browse a local network, then WiFi will kick EVDO's buttocks. "

    Like a lot of people have a need to browse a local network. YOU may find it cool and geeky, but most of us find trying to do things on a dinky screen with an underpowered processor sufficiently frustrating that we'll walk the ten feet over to the desktop computer and do things the normal way.
    First off, what makes you assume you know my situation? How do you know there's a desktop 10' away? Stop making assumptions. Why can't you see through your limited scope of usage to realize that others may have different needs and that you don't know it all?
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  2. #142  
    Quote Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
    msmobiles is reporting that Hollywood will made by HTC for CDMA2k networks. Another company will make Lowrider for unknown networks, and thirdly, HTC will make a WCDMA handset that doesn't have a name yet. Interesting. No 700p mentioned
    They announced 4 new phones. I'm assuming the 700P is the 4th.
    Palm III -> Palm Vx -> Clie T615c -> Clie T665c -> Tungsten T|3 -> Treo 650 -> Trew 700W (for a few days) -> XV6700 -> Moto Q
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  3. #143  
    I think palm needs a major re-engineering effort. The multitasking and multithreading capabilities are almost non-existent. It seems that some apps (pocket tunes/) can run in the background but most cannot.

    It's almost like the old days of DOS PCs when you could have a TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) program that would run in the background. It was a sort of multitasking but it was unstable as hell, with some TSRs no peacefully co-existing, forcing lots of crashes and reboots (sound familiar?). I'm not a big fan of MS but they at least provide a true Multi-tasking and multi-threaded environment that is more stable.

    My perfect Treo would run something like Linux or BSD Unix with PalmOS emulation. You could have backward support for multitasking by emulating discrete machine environments. Hey, don't knock Unix, it worked for Apple...
  4. #144  
    Quote Originally Posted by CojonesDeToro
    I think palm needs a major re-engineering effort. The multitasking and multithreading capabilities are almost non-existent. It seems that some apps (pocket tunes/) can run in the background but most cannot.

    It's almost like the old days of DOS PCs when you could have a TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) program that would run in the background. It was a sort of multitasking but it was unstable as hell, with some TSRs no peacefully co-existing, forcing lots of crashes and reboots (sound familiar?). I'm not a big fan of MS but they at least provide a true Multi-tasking and multi-threaded environment that is more stable.

    My perfect Treo would run something like Linux or BSD Unix with PalmOS emulation. You could have backward support for multitasking by emulating discrete machine environments. Hey, don't knock Unix, it worked for Apple...
    They did, it's called Cobalt. But it's vaporware.
    Palm III -> Palm Vx -> Clie T615c -> Clie T665c -> Tungsten T|3 -> Treo 650 -> Trew 700W (for a few days) -> XV6700 -> Moto Q
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  5. #145  
    Quote Originally Posted by Geckotek
    They announced 4 new phones. I'm assuming the 700P is the 4th.
    what about the 700w? that would make 4 also...
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  6. #146  
    The 700P,
    it will be.


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    #147  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    Like a lot of people have a need to browse a local network. YOU may find it cool and geeky, but most of us find trying to do things on a dinky screen with an underpowered processor sufficiently frustrating that we'll walk the ten feet over to the desktop computer and do things the normal way.
    The normal way? You do realize, of course, that just 10 years ago the "normal" way would be faxes, land lines and dial up.

    You see, I think that technology advancements (in all manner of directions) feeds innovation. Create a new highway and people will use it to go places that they have not been before. I am not anti-cellular technology, but I AM pro technology development. Who knows what the expansion and speed increase of ALL of the networks will bring? And who knows what new channel will be developed in the future?

    The cellular carriers are trying to protect their markets by restricting communication channels through their attempts to stifle Wi-Fi connectivity. Some would say they are merely protecting their investment. No argument here. But it is also anti-competitive.

    I'm sorry - "normal" does not apply. Judge Greene rendered "normal" obsolete when he brought down the gavel that broke up AT&T.
  8. #148  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    Like a lot of people have a need to browse a local network. YOU may find it cool and geeky, but most of us find trying to do things on a dinky screen with an underpowered processor sufficiently frustrating that we'll walk the ten feet over to the desktop computer and do things the normal way.
    You have to stop being so close-minded. Gecko keeps trying to inform us that wi-fi is useful for other things, seems like he/she(sorry, I don't know which) is just since some don't seem to be open to other suggestions. I'll admit I never really thought about using wi-fi for my LAN, but now that I've been reminded that it's an option, you never know.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  9. #149  
    Quote Originally Posted by DHart
    I'm sorry - "normal" does not apply. Judge Greene rendered "normal" obsolete when he brought down the gavel that broke up AT&T.
    What do you think of SBC, Cingular and ATT back together again?

    I actually not too happy about that. It looks like there's a move to put some big companies back together into another big monopoly. Around here, SBC is the main land line phone company and they want me to merge my Cingular bill with my phone bill, then want me to sign up for DSL and merge that too. If you live in the Midwest, don't call SBC customer service, they keep trying to sell you something(like all these merged plans)!!

    And now that SBC is also ATT, there goes long distance competition!!!
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    SBC, Cingular and AT&T together now are not equivalent to the old AT&T. That was a true monopoly. There are alternatives to this new AT&T.

    If I could get true 911 in my area, I would go with VOIP. I expect that to happen in the next 6 months to a year.
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    That's true, but I still don't like SBC trying to get it's customers to merge services, claiming they're doing you a favor if you let them. In reality, they have you tied up for 3(or more) services, meaning all the money's going to them! Although in my case, it may not matter because I already have SBC, Cingular and may even sign up for the DSL. But for those who would like to exercise more choice, why when you call CS do they try so sweetly to tell you how convenient it is to have all services on one bill, then try to sell you those you don't have? Yeah. Although I guess it's good business for them to do so, everything tied up in one big bill with one big company? Is that really good for the consumer? I'm not sure.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    #152  
    ok ok wifi would be neat. so would built in gps..
    NEXT
    what do we know?
    You know what they say "you can want in 1 hand and S#&t in the other and see which fills up first"
    what will they offer?
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    #153  
    Quote Originally Posted by pump142
    ok ok wifi would be neat. so would built in gps..
    NEXT
    what do we know?
    You know what they say "you can want in 1 hand and S#&t in the other and see which fills up first" what will they offer?
    It´s always good to have another intelligent opinion contributing to the conversation.
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    pump...I like your avatar....I used to watch "CAAAAPTAAAIN CAAAVVVVEMAAAAN!" every Saturday morning and loved him!
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    #155  
    "First off, what makes you assume you know my situation? How do you know there's a desktop 10' away? Stop making assumptions. Why can't you see through your limited scope of usage to realize that others may have different needs and that you don't know it all?"

    Then enlighten us. Why do you want to browse your local network with a Treo, why is it so important to do it through Wifi, and why don't you have access to a normal laptop/computer?
  16. #156  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    "First off, what makes you assume you know my situation? How do you know there's a desktop 10' away? Stop making assumptions. Why can't you see through your limited scope of usage to realize that others may have different needs and that you don't know it all?"

    Then enlighten us. Why do you want to browse your local network with a Treo, why is it so important to do it through Wifi, and why don't you have access to a normal laptop/computer?
    Tim....first of all I find it a little silly that someone that claims to have a need, or even a want, beyond your scope of your personal needs and wants must justify it.

    I know the question was not asked of me, but I already answered your question over a year ago in the link on post number 68 of this thread........I can't believe it has been the same argument for over year now with the same reasons against WIFI raised over, and over, and over again. It is actually starting become more than amusing watching whiners whining about the Wifi whiners whining about no Wifi!

    For your convenience I have quoted my post I linked to in post 68 here in full. The 3rd and 4th bullet points are specific points to your questions (simply replace 650 with 700x and all points are still valid):

    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal

    Whiners whining about the Wifi whiners whining about no Wifi!

    Here goes another useless thread on the subject, but man this is getting out of hand.....first of all I cannot believe people are upset that other people may actually need a feature that they don't. There is nother wrong in saying that if P1 does not integrate Wifi, then please at least support a Wifi card for those who really do NEED it!

    We should not have to defend over and over again that there IS A NEED for Wifi beyond the personal needs of the users who are whiners whining about the wifi whiners whining about no Wifi.

    It is not a deal breaker for me, (just one large block in the over all appeal of the phone) but the advantages for my situation is invaluable. I am on the road alot with work (and since a share of Treo users are travelling business people I am probably not alone).

    The whiners whining about the wifi whiners, have used the following arguements to justify not needing Wifi or access to it in other threads....
    • it's a cell phone use your carrier, stupid....in the US that is NOT an option if you roam. If you are out of coverage and in Roam....you loose ALL DATA TRANSFER options through your cell phone carrier!

      Even though Sprint has a pretty good coverage area, there are still HUGE chunks of the US that are roaming. I am often times in roaming mode in backwaters, OR, ID, CA, and WY. When you roam...No Vision...No Vision then No Data....No Data then No Internet....No Internet then No Email or Web Access. No Internet or Email Access then I am tough out of luck while sitting in a McDonalds with Wifi waves flying all around me begging to be used for free.

      Take a look at the light green on the Sprint map for OR, WA, ID, and WY and you will see what I am talking about, as all of that area has NO data access with the carrier.

      EDIT: Here is a link to see how much of the US is still in Digital Roaming: http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...alRoaming.html

      Not to mention those outside of the USA who have to pay major money to use their carrier for data when Wifi would be free.

      These two points along justify a need for at least an option for a Wifi card.......

    • buy another device...nice loyality to the needs of loyal customers. But since this feature is either included or supported in a wide selection of other smartphones, I know of many people who have done just that...i.e. PPC-6600 (PDA2K).
    • Just use your laptop.....whoever falls on this arguement either never travels or never uses their convergence device for business. There are so many situations a laptop is not either convenient or impractical or impossible to use that it is ridiculous....i.e. I cannot use my laptop in the car to get my email, sitting in an airport, during a business meeting and need facts fast.
    • You don't Need it, you are just using for fun, like streaming songs at home or checking stats during the big game. Just use your stereo or desktop.....what is wrong with having fun with a feature that is a widely available option to take advantage of for fun or entertainment. I am a road warrior power user, but I also include entertainment within the value of the device for me.
    • Just wait until you get home to get your stats......This one again must of been from someone who never uses their treo much for business. Personally I am on daily and weekly deadlines and if I cannot check my stats until I get back home or to the hotel room to discover if there is a problem, I would be fired!
    Is there a need? Yes.

    Will EVDO, which is NOT available with the 650, resolve it? Only if it can work while Roaming.

    If I had wifi, and no EVDO, I think I would find myself using Wifi quite often....when I was at home, a free wifi hotspot, or in Roam as it would my ONLY option, all of which I seem to be in all a fair amount of time. Again, Wifi is not a deal killer if it supports an addon.

    I think the bottom line is to give the customer EVERY opportunity to get connectivity in ANY given situation he/she is in. If research shows that Wifi would NOT be supported by a majority of the customers, then at least make it an available addon to those who do want it or, more importantly, to those who NEED it.

    It is supply and demand....depending on the demand, then supply Wifi in the phone or as an addon....but the fact is, as several other threads have proved, there is a demand and there should be a supply to meet the demands of those customers.

    This is not whining, simply standing up for a great product to meet the needs of the customers who would love to stay with it and not turn to alternative OS or phones for the same amount of money that include these features.

    POST: http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=61263
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    What? That doesn't answer my question. Why would geckotec or anyone want to browse his local network so bad? Stream mp3s and use his treo as an ipod while vacumming? Look at his masssive porn collection while on the toilet? I'm just wonderin' is all. Seriously. Maybe there is something cool to do with this.

    I could imagine using a remote pc application to grab a file off my pc with my treo and cell data plan while on the road, but if I'm within range of my local networks access point, I'm within range of a PC. So just educate us less creative folk with an example or two, and show us why it so cool.
  18. #158  
    Can Tim enlighten us as to why he is so against wi-fi options?
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    What? That doesn't answer my question. Why would geckotec or anyone want to browse his local network so bad? Stream mp3s and use his treo as an ipod while vacumming? Look at his masssive porn collection while on the toilet? I'm just wonderin' is all. Seriously. Maybe there is something cool to do with this.

    I could imagine using a remote pc application to grab a file off my pc with my treo and cell data plan while on the road, but if I'm within range of my local networks access point, I'm within range of a PC. So just educate us less creative folk with an example or two, and show us why it so cool.
    I'm a little confused myself. Are you trying to state that WiFi is unimportant or just trying to press geckotec about a semantic issue with wordplay?

    I'm guessing that geckotec means access his local access point. This seems pretty obvious. But as Hobbes says, we can go on and on about the benefits of WiFi and numerous competitors wouldn't be including it if it wasn't a key feature. If you just want to ask why it's so important to browse someone's local network... OK, you got him there. Good for you.

    And any time you want to pay a Verizon Wireless user's $50+ monthly EVDO bill, go right ahead. I can give you over $600+ reasons why annually you'll be paying for a little more speed that is the equivalent of buying a whole new phone!
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    "I'm a little confused myself. Are you trying to state that WiFi is unimportant or just trying to press geckotec about a semantic issue with wordplay?"

    Neither. He says that people are short-sighted and unimaginative and only view wifi as something one would use to browse the web or check email. His main example of why Wifi is better than EVDO in some areas is that you can use it to browse your local network directly. Ok, I agree. I'm just wondering what are some specific examples of why someone would want to do this on a Treo. Clearer? (I can think of one example besides streaming multimedia from your pc harddrive)
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