Now In Development: Internalz HD

Jason Robitaille · 11:55 PM

So, as some may have noticed from my Twitter posts, I've now sent off ComicShelf HD for approval for the App Catalog.

Next up for my primary focus is Internalz HD. As this is a complete rewrite from Mojo, I'm designing this HD version from the ground-up for a large-screen device.

I don't wanna spoil too much, but there are a few details I'd like to share

I want 2 layouts you can toggle between: list layout and grid layouts. For grid layout, I'm thinking of having the rows in the format [name][size][type][last-modified-date]. As for grid layout, here's a quick previews of something I've been working on:

Both layouts will support selecting multiple files. And as you can tell from the image, selecting a file/folder in the grid layout will expand the name to full length so it's no truncated

However, I have 2 topics I'd really like people's input on.

First, I'm tempted to maybe have it so that if you tap an already-selected file/folder it'll turn into an editable text box for quick renaming, similar to Windows Explorer. I haven't investigated how to do it it yet, but it's something that should be fine implement. But do you think it'd be worth the extra time to add? Would it be too easy to accidentally edit filenames? Or should I leave it at only-selecting, and leave renaming for only in the Info screen?

Second is the folder-chooser for when you move/copy a file or folder. In Internalz, it's that tree-structure. However I'm unsure what would be best for Internalz HD. Maybe just a popup window with the old tree-structure? Or maybe a popup with a traversable list of folders to go though and choose? I have no idea what would be best given the TouchPad size and desire for an easy convenient solution that will be easy for users to repeatedly use

volcom45 · 07/09/2011, 12:09 AM

Would love to help beta test this if you need any testers!

gollyzila · 07/09/2011, 12:33 AM

Regarding the first question, if you do have the 2nd click initiate an editable text box, will a third tap be required for opening up the file info?

@2nd question, Could you implement a Clipboard sliding panel that only shows up when text and files are copied (just an edge of the panel initially shows. Like in StyleMatters)? And then another button to open up a two-panel folder view which will allow dragging and dropping from the other panel and the Clipboard panel?

Jason Robitaille · 07/09/2011, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volcom45

Would love to help beta test this if you need any testers!

I'll keep it mind

Back to the topic, I really do need opinions on the 2 things mentioned in the first post. The more input from you guys the better

govotsos · 07/09/2011, 01:08 AM

Echoing gollyzilla a bit, a 2 pane display would be great with different directories in each. Drag & drop would be nice, but action buttons (copy, move, rename, etc) would be OK. If the buttons were user assignable, that'd be even better. Something like Directory Opus or X-tree.

Multiselect is essential. I don't know how that would work with drag & drop so the action buttons might be necessary.

Archive support would be great with integrating your archive app. 2 pane helps here too. Archive file in one pane, destination in other pane. Option to extract to that directory or create new container directory. Reverse would be nice too - select multiple files & create archive.

About second tap funstionality. First idea - a tap & hold pop-up menu with copy, move, rename, delete, share, add / remove from archive, open, open with, etc. Could also use tap & hold on empty space (or action buttons) to do things like create folder or file.

Second idea - first tap selects. If second tap is on name, rename. If second tap is on icon, do other action.

How do you think you'll implement multi-select? Check boxes, button to enter select mode, some kind of multi-tap ala meta-tap? Something else?

A nice feature for multi-select would be multi-rename.

Hope some of this is useful.

Rennat · 07/09/2011, 01:10 AM

A better way to do the quick renaming is to make it so if you double tap it it will rename. This way it won't be to easy to mistakenly rename a file. Then for the standard file actions you tap and hold for the menu to pop up. And yes, this is more than worth while adding in.

Rennat · 07/09/2011, 01:16 AM

A really good idea for the layout of the app is to make it so you have a email type bars were it goes further into the folders each pane. And then you should also have the ability to have two separate panes that hold 2 completely separate directories so you can drag and drop the files from one to the other. (I navigate to a knew folder then open a side bar and navigate to another and drag and drop.

Jason Robitaille · 02:05 AM

Just wanna clarify a few other details. A single tap will select. A quick double-tap will open the file/folder. I was thinking of the info/move/copy/delete options in a bottom toolbar (with info disabling on multiple file selection).

As for a clipboard sliding panel, that's actually a really neat idea, but I'm sure sure how it could fit. My original idea was to have favouites in a panel on left, file browser in center panel, and info screen/imageviewer/text editor on left panel (that would appear visible as needed). So such a clipboard area would probably conflict with any open image files and text files. One workaround could be to have the the clipboard area be a pseudo-panel at the bottom of the screen, replacing the toolbar and its buttons (which should be disabled when a clipboard area is open anyway). Another alternative could be to have the left favourites panel have the bottom half of the pane become the clipboard area, with the toolbar turning confirm/cancel" buttons.

Though of course much is still uncoded, so the layout can be altered as needed in this planning stage. The imageview/text editor could be a popup for example, or alternatively always open up in new cards. The file/folder info screen, for example, may be better suited as a popup screen. And of course, there's the original idea of there being a folder-chooser popup (perhaps with a list of the favourites opposite to it, to choose from your favourite locations easily).

As for drag-and-drop, that's something I'd like to aim for, but might be a bit much, at least for v1.0.

govotsos · 07/09/2011, 02:14 AM

The way this sounds, this is going to be a Homebrew rather than App Catalog app? Sounds like it'll have features HP won't allow in the catalog. Is that right or are you planning a dual release like now with a purchsed, feature limited catalog version & a donation supported full feature homebrew app?

Jason Robitaille · 07/09/2011, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by govotsos

The way this sounds, this is going to be a Homebrew rather than App Catalog app? Sounds like it'll have features HP won't allow in the catalog. Is that right or are you planning a dual release like now with a purchsed, feature limited catalog version & a donation supported full feature homebrew app?

It'll be a paid App Catalog app. Homebrew features like full-device access, patching and .ipk installing will be done via FileMgr, if Internalz HD detects FileMgr as installed. If FileMgr is not detected, the homebrew features will be hidden.

govotsos · 07/09/2011, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Robitaille

It'll be a paid App Catalog app. Homebrew features like full-device access, patching and .ipk installing will be done via FileMgr, if Internalz HD detects FileMgr as installed. If FileMgr is not detected, the homebrew features will be hidden.

Sneaky

That's a real smart way to add functionality. It's always educational when you share your thinking. Thanks.

cobrakon · 07/09/2011, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rennat

A really good idea for the layout of the app is to make it so you have a email type bars were it goes further into the folders each pane. And then you should also have the ability to have two separate panes that hold 2 completely separate directories so you can drag and drop the files from one to the other. (I navigate to a knew folder then open a side bar and navigate to another and drag and drop.

I like this. ^^ sliding panes as you drill down would be great navigation for Enyo. Then if you click on an img or txt file, a "viewer" pane could slide in to allow you to swipe through the pics\docs etc.

Sounds awesome Jason. This IS a H-U-G-E differentiator for webOS since iOS cannot see it's own file system. HP needs to highlight this app in Pivot as soon as it's ready. :-)

Rennat · 07/09/2011, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Robitaille

Just wanna clarify a few other details. A single tap will select. A quick double-tap will open the file/folder. I was thinking of the info/move/copy/delete options in a bottom toolbar (with info disabling on multiple file selection).

As for a clipboard sliding panel, that's actually a really neat idea, but I'm sure sure how it could fit. My original idea was to have favouites in a panel on left, file browser in center panel, and info screen/imageviewer/text editor on left panel (that would appear visible as needed). So such a clipboard area would probably conflict with any open image files and text files. One workaround could be to have the the clipboard area be a pseudo-panel at the bottom of the screen, replacing the toolbar and its buttons (which should be disabled when a clipboard area is open anyway). Another alternative could be to have the left favourites panel have the bottom half of the pane become the clipboard area, with the toolbar turning confirm/cancel" buttons.

Though of course much is still uncoded, so the layout can be altered as needed in this planning stage. The imageview/text editor could be a popup for example, or alternatively always open up in new cards. The file/folder info screen, for example, may be better suited as a popup screen. And of course, there's the original idea of there being a folder-chooser popup (perhaps with a list of the favourites opposite to it, to choose from your favourite locations easily).

As for drag-and-drop, that's something I'd like to aim for, but might be a bit much, at least for v1.0.

I would much rather have this than favorites. I think that you should do a major over hall of the UI and make it have some killer features that are in desktop PCs, like drag drop. Internalz should have one main window, were the file viewer is, and then have two drawers on the sides. You need to have something that will replace the old hectic way of copy paste. Whether you have a secondary file viewer than you navigate to or you have a empty drawer that you can drop files in and cache there until you navigate to the other folder to drop them there. You don't need to do these exactly but you need some killer feature to make it as good or better than the way a traditional PC handles files.

jonas916 · 07/09/2011, 10:47 AM

I love Internalz. Its one of my favorite apps. I think renaming is easy enough as it is that it may not be worth the hassle. I like the pop-up window idea for moving files. I'm totally gonna buy a touchpad now!

spud101 · 07/09/2011, 11:36 AM

Awesome to see you already busy on Internalz HD!!!

Although I know it's more of a webOS feature than something you should build with Internalz, let alone you asked about to get input on, I would soooo love to be able to access my network (samba) shares from my Touchpad (if I eventually have one), or at least some FTP access.

Has webosinternals actually recently been working on (better) samba support in webOS?

Jason Robitaille · 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobrakon

I like this. ^^ sliding panes as you drill down would be great navigation for Enyo. Then if you click on an img or txt file, a "viewer" pane could slide in to allow you to swipe through the pics\docs etc

Sliding panes look nice, as I've seen from the Box.net app, but it could prove problematic in several areas and I'm not too big of a fan of that kind folder traversal

Quote:

Originally Posted by spud101

Has webosinternals actually recently been working on (better) samba support in webOS?

No idea, I'm not part of webosinternals.

Anyone know how iFiles for the iPad handles moving/copying?

Jeking · 07/09/2011, 12:44 PM

I think the tap/double tap sill be fine for folders and files.

For the other item, a pop-up list of folders would well for me.

thanks!!

chodaboy · 07/09/2011, 12:47 PM

Jason, regarding the file rename, how about a tap + long hold (similar to how links are handled in the browser)?

Jason Robitaille · 07/09/2011, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodaboy

Jason, regarding the file rename, how about a tap + long hold (similar to how links are handled in the browser)?

Tap and hold on a selected file or in general?

john mcconnell · 07/09/2011, 12:56 PM

i would keep the buttons off the bottom or at least not in the middle ! I find that swiping up from the bottom i hit a lot of buttons by misstake. look at hp
app cat button along the whole bottom. iam all way swiping up and ending up some were else.

07/08/2011, 11:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jason Robitaille Legend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Posts: 3,883 Likes Received: 496 Thanks: 801 Thanked 12,954 Times in 1,495 Posts	Now In Development: Internalz HD So, as some may have noticed from my Twitter posts, I've now sent off ComicShelf HD for approval for the App Catalog. Next up for my primary focus is Internalz HD. As this is a complete rewrite from Mojo, I'm designing this HD version from the ground-up for a large-screen device. I don't wanna spoil too much, but there are a few details I'd like to share I want 2 layouts you can toggle between: list layout and grid layouts. For grid layout, I'm thinking of having the rows in the format [name][size][type][last-modified-date]. As for grid layout, here's a quick previews of something I've been working on: Both layouts will support selecting multiple files. And as you can tell from the image, selecting a file/folder in the grid layout will expand the name to full length so it's no truncated However, I have 2 topics I'd really like people's input on. First, I'm tempted to maybe have it so that if you tap an already-selected file/folder it'll turn into an editable text box for quick renaming, similar to Windows Explorer. I haven't investigated how to do it it yet, but it's something that should be fine implement. But do you think it'd be worth the extra time to add? Would it be too easy to accidentally edit filenames? Or should I leave it at only-selecting, and leave renaming for only in the Info screen? Second is the folder-chooser for when you move/copy a file or folder. In Internalz, it's that tree-structure. However I'm unsure what would be best for Internalz HD. Maybe just a popup window with the old tree-structure? Or maybe a popup with a traversable list of folders to go though and choose? I have no idea what would be best given the TouchPad size and desire for an easy convenient solution that will be easy for users to repeatedly use __________________ If you've liked my software, please consider to towards future development. Developer of many apps such as: WebOS Quick Install, WebOS Theme Builder, Ipk Packager, Unified Diff Creator, Internalz Pro, ComicShelf HD, LED Torch, over 70 patches and more. @JayCanuck @CanuckCoding Facebook Last edited by Jason Robitaille; 07/08/2011 at 11:55 PM.
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volcom45 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,546 Likes Received: 42 Thanks: 721 Thanked 182 Times in 131 Posts	Would love to help beta test this if you need any testers!
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07/09/2011, 12:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
gollyzila Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,003 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 343 Thanked 95 Times in 70 Posts	Regarding the first question, if you do have the 2nd click initiate an editable text box, will a third tap be required for opening up the file info? @2nd question, Could you implement a Clipboard sliding panel that only shows up when text and files are copied (just an edge of the panel initially shows. Like in StyleMatters)? And then another button to open up a two-panel folder view which will allow dragging and dropping from the other panel and the Clipboard panel?
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07/09/2011, 01:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
govotsos Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,064 Likes Received: 18 Thanks: 12 Thanked 196 Times in 146 Posts	Echoing gollyzilla a bit, a 2 pane display would be great with different directories in each. Drag & drop would be nice, but action buttons (copy, move, rename, etc) would be OK. If the buttons were user assignable, that'd be even better. Something like Directory Opus or X-tree. Multiselect is essential. I don't know how that would work with drag & drop so the action buttons might be necessary. Archive support would be great with integrating your archive app. 2 pane helps here too. Archive file in one pane, destination in other pane. Option to extract to that directory or create new container directory. Reverse would be nice too - select multiple files & create archive. About second tap funstionality. First idea - a tap & hold pop-up menu with copy, move, rename, delete, share, add / remove from archive, open, open with, etc. Could also use tap & hold on empty space (or action buttons) to do things like create folder or file. Second idea - first tap selects. If second tap is on name, rename. If second tap is on icon, do other action. How do you think you'll implement multi-select? Check boxes, button to enter select mode, some kind of multi-tap ala meta-tap? Something else? A nice feature for multi-select would be multi-rename. Hope some of this is useful.
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Rennat Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: With a colony of King Penguins in Antartica Posts: 1,318 Likes Received: 95 Thanks: 533 Thanked 304 Times in 153 Posts	A better way to do the quick renaming is to make it so if you double tap it it will rename. This way it won't be to easy to mistakenly rename a file. Then for the standard file actions you tap and hold for the menu to pop up. And yes, this is more than worth while adding in. __________________ My Tutorial on how to get Ubuntu on the TouchPad: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-d...-touchpad.html
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Rennat Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: With a colony of King Penguins in Antartica Posts: 1,318 Likes Received: 95 Thanks: 533 Thanked 304 Times in 153 Posts	A really good idea for the layout of the app is to make it so you have a email type bars were it goes further into the folders each pane. And then you should also have the ability to have two separate panes that hold 2 completely separate directories so you can drag and drop the files from one to the other. (I navigate to a knew folder then open a side bar and navigate to another and drag and drop. __________________ My Tutorial on how to get Ubuntu on the TouchPad: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-d...-touchpad.html
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07/09/2011, 01:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jason Robitaille Legend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Posts: 3,883 Likes Received: 496 Thanks: 801 Thanked 12,954 Times in 1,495 Posts	Just wanna clarify a few other details. A single tap will select. A quick double-tap will open the file/folder. I was thinking of the info/move/copy/delete options in a bottom toolbar (with info disabling on multiple file selection). As for a clipboard sliding panel, that's actually a really neat idea, but I'm sure sure how it could fit. My original idea was to have favouites in a panel on left, file browser in center panel, and info screen/imageviewer/text editor on left panel (that would appear visible as needed). So such a clipboard area would probably conflict with any open image files and text files. One workaround could be to have the the clipboard area be a pseudo-panel at the bottom of the screen, replacing the toolbar and its buttons (which should be disabled when a clipboard area is open anyway). Another alternative could be to have the left favourites panel have the bottom half of the pane become the clipboard area, with the toolbar turning confirm/cancel" buttons. Though of course much is still uncoded, so the layout can be altered as needed in this planning stage. The imageview/text editor could be a popup for example, or alternatively always open up in new cards. The file/folder info screen, for example, may be better suited as a popup screen. And of course, there's the original idea of there being a folder-chooser popup (perhaps with a list of the favourites opposite to it, to choose from your favourite locations easily). As for drag-and-drop, that's something I'd like to aim for, but might be a bit much, at least for v1.0. __________________ If you've liked my software, please consider to towards future development. Developer of many apps such as: WebOS Quick Install, WebOS Theme Builder, Ipk Packager, Unified Diff Creator, Internalz Pro, ComicShelf HD, LED Torch, over 70 patches and more. @JayCanuck @CanuckCoding Facebook Last edited by Jason Robitaille; 07/09/2011 at 02:05 AM.
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govotsos Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,064 Likes Received: 18 Thanks: 12 Thanked 196 Times in 146 Posts	The way this sounds, this is going to be a Homebrew rather than App Catalog app? Sounds like it'll have features HP won't allow in the catalog. Is that right or are you planning a dual release like now with a purchsed, feature limited catalog version & a donation supported full feature homebrew app?
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jonas916 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 40 Likes Received: 6 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I love Internalz. Its one of my favorite apps. I think renaming is easy enough as it is that it may not be worth the hassle. I like the pop-up window idea for moving files. I'm totally gonna buy a touchpad now!
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spud101 Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 825 Likes Received: 66 Thanks: 78 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	Awesome to see you already busy on Internalz HD!!! Although I know it's more of a webOS feature than something you should build with Internalz, let alone you asked about to get input on, I would soooo love to be able to access my network (samba) shares from my Touchpad (if I eventually have one), or at least some FTP access. Has webosinternals actually recently been working on (better) samba support in webOS?
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Jeking Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 334 Likes Received: 1 Thanks: 30 Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts	I think the tap/double tap sill be fine for folders and files. For the other item, a pop-up list of folders would well for me. thanks!!
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chodaboy Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 776 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 92 Thanked 44 Times in 34 Posts	Jason, regarding the file rename, how about a tap + long hold (similar to how links are handled in the browser)?
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john mcconnell Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 17 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	i would keep the buttons off the bottom or at least not in the middle ! I find that swiping up from the bottom i hit a lot of buttons by misstake. look at hp app cat button along the whole bottom. iam all way swiping up and ending up some were else.
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