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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by k4ever View Post
    What are they called so I can download them and try them out?
    There are a few, but this seems to be the top-rated one:

    https://market.android.com/details?id=rd.youaud
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by jrstinkfish View Post
    You're one of the few people I know who prefer something like that I suppose I could go around and ask people, "Would you like a video you're watching on YouTube to keep playing in the background while you check your email?" and they'd likely reply, "But I'm not watching it anymore, why would it still be playing?" That would just annoy the crap out of me if I had to remember to stop the video every time.
    Actually he is not one of a few. I would be willing to bet, that there are actually more people who would rather have the youtube video continue to play as long as they don't specifically choose to stop it. I know atleast ten people who regularly listen to music on youtube with actually no interest in the video itself. In fact for Indian music, youtube is the best resource to listen to old music online and thus the video pausing if not in focus makes it totally useless for a lot of us. On the other hand, you always have the option to pause the video when you don't wish to watch or listen to it. Maybe, an option to choose would be best.
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  3. #43  
    To each his own. I just know it would drive me crazy to have a YouTube video continue to play after I left the app, just like I'd hate for a movie I'm watching to keep playing when I go to check my mail. But as I pointed out earlier, if listening to YouTube videos in the background is your thing, download a specific app for that -- great thing about the number of apps in the Market is that there is probably something out there that gives you the functionality you desire.
  4. #44  
    It really annoys me when apps do things that i didn't tell them to do. Like every app in the Android and iOS world pausing completely on change.
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  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by jrstinkfish View Post
    To each his own. I just know it would drive me crazy to have a YouTube video continue to play after I left the app, just like I'd hate for a movie I'm watching to keep playing when I go to check my mail. But as I pointed out earlier, if listening to YouTube videos in the background is your thing, download a specific app for that -- great thing about the number of apps in the Market is that there is probably something out there that gives you the functionality you desire.
    This is another example of what's great about WebOS, patches. I didn't like the standard WebOS behavior so I wrote the no/remove video pause patch. It would be nice to be able to do this in android. I don't want to have to mess with a separate app.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by jrstinkfish View Post
    To each his own. I just know it would drive me crazy to have a YouTube video continue to play after I left the app, just like I'd hate for a movie I'm watching to keep playing when I go to check my mail. But as I pointed out earlier, if listening to YouTube videos in the background is your thing, download a specific app for that -- great thing about the number of apps in the Market is that there is probably something out there that gives you the functionality you desire.
    I downloaded the app you listed. It seems to only play audio on CM9. No video. So I can't replace the other YouTube app with it. I hope this is just a video issue with CM9 and the app is not made this way. Also the app is ridiculously persistent. It won't close when I'm done with it. Even if I swipe it away from the running apps list. It won't leave the notification area and won't allow me to dismiss it from there either. Very frustrating.

    Ask yourself this question, if a lot of folks did not want this feature, why did someone take the time to make an app?

    Also, Android is annoying in that you seem to have to download multiple apps to get a level of functionality that should be in one app and each app seems to have a totally different feature set. The GMail app has threaded messaging, but the default app doesn't. The default app can do multiple account but the GMail app can't. The K9 app has a unified inbox that the default app didn't have (until recently for ICS). You have to pay to get push email and God only knows what you lose with that. Same with the keyboard apps. Some keyboard apps have good themes, but no auto correct. Some have good layouts, but no themes. Some have navigation arrows, some don't. Some of the numbers button on the right and some have it on the left. You can't seem to get all you want or need in just one app.

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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by k4ever View Post
    Ask yourself this question, if a lot of folks did not want this feature, why did someone take the time to make an app?
    Well first of all, that's not all this app does, that's just a feature of it. Secondly, there are 250,000+ apps in the Market -- each app's existence doesn't mean that it fills a pressing need.

    If Google gets enough requests for that option (and I'm telling you, if it's just automatic, most users will be really annoyed with videos playing when the leave the app), they may put it in if it's worth the effort. In all my time on Android message boards, this is honestly the first I've heard of it being an issue.

    This just sort of reminds me of the infomercials where simple things are made to look so difficult in order to sell a special egg-frying pan Not saying your complaints aren't valid, just saying that what is a frustration for you probably isn't for most Android users.

    By all means, stick with webOS if Android doesn't do it for you. I'm personally very satisfied with Android and I'm excited about the improvements ICS will bring. I don't need arrow keys on my tablet (I prefer to touch the place I want to start typing, and I use the standard Android keyboard with great success), and Gmail is my only email account, so your complaints aren't mine.
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    #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by k4ever View Post
    The default app can do multiple account but the GMail app can't.
    See I don't understand this thinking - why would it? It's a specialist app to access a particular service, it's not a general purpose email app.
  9. #49  
    See I don't understand this thinking - [I]why would it? It's a specialist app to access a particular service, it's not a general purpose email app.
    But people here try to make it a general purpose app/service. There is a complaint about not having threaded emails for GMail on the webOS email client. Fair enough. The webOS email client was made for multiple email accounts and not all of them show threads. On Android there is a complaint about the lack of push notification and having to use multiple email clients. Instead of just admitting that this is the case several of you have suggested that we move all of our email services to GMail. If you do that this turns a specialist app into a general purpose one. I just want a good email client on Android without having to jump through so many hoops. So far I haven't got that yet. K9 is adequate but I hate not having push email.


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  10. #50  
    Well first of all, that's not all this app does, that's just a feature of it. Secondly, there are 250,000+ apps in the Market -- each app's existence doesn't mean that it fills a pressing need.

    If Google gets enough requests for that option (and I'm telling you, if it's just automatic, most users will be really annoyed with videos playing when the leave the app), they may put it in if it's worth the effort. In all my time on Android message boards, this is honestly the first I've heard of it being an issue.

    This just sort of reminds me of the infomercials where simple things are made to look so difficult in order to sell a special egg-frying pan Not saying your complaints aren't valid, just saying that what is a frustration for you probably isn't for most Android users.

    By all means, stick with webOS if Android doesn't do it for you. I'm personally very satisfied with Android and I'm excited about the improvements ICS will bring. I don't need arrow keys on my tablet (I prefer to touch the place I want to start typing, and I use the standard Android keyboard with great success), and Gmail is my only email account, so your complaints aren't mine.
    This. You are satisfied with Android. I am satisfied with webOS. That's ok. I just don't understand the negativity towards webOS when you are visiting this site or the need to constantly push Android off on us. That is not needed. I'm glad ICS is available for the TouchPad and if I do need it for something I can simply boot into it. That gives my TouchPad more value in my book.


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  11. #51  
    I love WEBOS forever. I haven't installed cm9 but I will and try it.
  12. #52  
    Let's keep this on topic please!
    I love physical keyboards... but there is two devices that would make me consider a slab, one is something running a full version of Open webOS. The other is an iPhone!!!! HA HA just kidding (about the iPhone that is)...
  13. #53  
    I don't understand why they put the app grid soft key on the top right of the screen and not at the bottom like the other soft keys. It's annoying to have to move my hand across the screen. Hopefully they change this in the next version.
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by laoh View Post
    I don't understand why they put the app grid soft key on the top right of the screen and not at the bottom like the other soft keys. It's annoying to have to move my hand across the screen. Hopefully they change this in the next version.
    I was wondering that as well, it seemed out of place. But after using it for a week or so, I now think it's a reasonable choice given where the 'recent apps' button is.

    It keeps the main buttons that you use while inside other apps together, and without a confusing additional button, and it reinforces the idea that to launch an application you go to your home screens.

    webOS is definitely more intuitive here, at the expense of providing custom home screens for your apps and an additional toolbar. webOS gets its elegance by moving notifications to the top of the screen, recent apps to the middle, and the apps launcher button to the bottom toolbar. More intuitive, but using a lot more screen real estate.

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  15. #55  
    Ya know, I actually almost like ICS. It is almost as usable as webos and the apps push it over the edge. A real task app that syncs well with toodledo (ultimate todo) a facebook app that doesn't ignore all the people I have hidden, an ok goodle reader, lots of games my kids can play, real gmail. I use it much more often than webOS, who cares if switching apps is brilliant on webOS if there are no apps to switch to?

    That said, I'll switch back to webOS in a heartbeat if they can come up with a way to run android apps in cards.
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  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by japomani View Post
    Ya know, I actually almost like ICS. It is almost as usable as webos and the apps push it over the edge. A real task app that syncs well with toodledo (ultimate todo) a facebook app that doesn't ignore all the people I have hidden, an ok goodle reader, lots of games my kids can play, real gmail. I use it much more often than webOS, who cares if switching apps is brilliant on webOS if there are no apps to switch to?

    That said, I'll switch back to webOS in a heartbeat if they can come up with a way to run android apps in cards.
    The jury is out for me. There are things I love about CM9 (and ICS in general). Google has done an excellent job of improving the interface over 2.x. However, lets give credit where credit is do there. The guy who was responsible for webOS' interface designed the interface for ICS. So Android users can thank HP for being stupid enough to let him go. Games are hit and miss for me. You can't just download a high end game on CM9 and expect it to work like on webOS. You got to jump through hoops tweaking the system and download data from "other sources" just to get things to work right. The touchscreen is giving me too many problems (missing taps, over responsive in some areas, under responsive in others) for the low end games. I tried to play several of my favorite games on it (Tank Recon 3D, Tank Hero) and it was just too darn frustrating. I couldn't make it through a single level without trouble caused by the screen. As a Gmail user since day one (when you needed an invitation), I find GMail overrated. The only thing that I can see that webOS doesn't have is threading, which isn't a big deal to me. What is a big deal is the fact that CM9 is not working with one of my email accounts (AKO, the big one!) and has no support for push email out of the box, so I can't just leave my TouchPad in CM9 for long periods of time.

    I think webOS' biggest problem when compared to ICS is the app gap. There are ton of apps available for ICS that aren't available for webOS. This is not a revelation. We have known about this for sometime and had many an argument here over this. Now that webOS has an open source road map and there will be no new hardware until this in completed, we are going to have to wait even longer for apps. I'm glad we at least have CM9 to hold us over until then.

    ---Start soapbox here---
    It pains me that we are even to this point. Android, iOS, and webOS are suppose to be web based operating systems. The apps written for them were supposed to be able to run in any compliant web browser, which would make the operating system a non-issue. Instead we have folks who think it's ok to game the system and make an app out of a common web page that will only run on one system instead of just tweaking the web page to run on all of the systems. Those same folks then pay for something they normally get for free on their PCs. Those same folks then get upset when their favorite "app" doesn't run on all of their mobile devices.
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  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by jrstinkfish View Post
    I think a lot of the resistance to using ICS has more to do with unfamiliarity than it does with ICS being clunky and hard to use. I use OS X and my fiance uses Windows 7. When I have to use her computer, I feel like pounding my head against the keyboard, whereas she moves around it like a pro. Conversely, when she sits down to use my computer, she hates it.

    I bet I can fly around ICS just as easily as you could webOS because I've been using Android for a couple of years now.

    i totally agree with that. I think it pretty much applies to changing systems no matter the device. Something new always has a curve. And just like you i now find using a Mac the most frustrating thing ever. I find myself wanting to shoot a pistol at the screen. And i was on a mac for all of the 90s. But i want to slam my head on the keyboard when the browser won't go full screen. Or the right click button randomly stops bringing up the right click menu, or somehow i've hit a shortcut that makes the shift key stop working. I used my parents over xmas in anticipation that my next laptop would be a switch back to macs but oh i was so frustrated it was crazy. Hell i'm still not used to the new start menu in Windows 7 and i loathe the ribbon in Office. Nothing is where i expect it to be. And I specifically don't use chrome cause i can't find out how to move the tabs below the menu and address bar. Man that bugs me.

    but i had a learning curve going to webos. It took a long time to get used to not having a back button. And i always struggle with not having a working "hold" button that locked the screen. And when i first started it was far from clear that i had to hit the home button to minimize then swipe up to close. I had apps open and kept swiping up to close and the app would go nowhere. After time it sorted itself out but at first it didn't make sense. So i think whenever you do something new there is an adjustment time as.
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  18. #58  
    ... except that the learning curve is so low for webOS, that my 72 year old father, who can't find the power button on his wife's laptop and has a reading level of 2nd grade, was able to figure out pretty much everything about the system in 10 minutes. And it's still got more than enough for power users, thanks to webOS Internals.
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  19. #59  
    blanket statements like "the learning curve IS..." incorrectly declare absolutes. People have different experiences. Typing "is" doesn't make it so. The learning curve wasn't 10 minutes for me. Wasn't 10 minutes for everyone. It may be low for some and fast for others. The same way some people may find OS X easy and some may not.
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  20. #60  
    I guess I am odd, but I preferred Android 2.3 to 4.0.3.
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