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    Quote Originally Posted by vanadium View Post
    I just don't get the allure of Chomper's attempt at loading Android *through* webOS as a tenable effort people are getting excited about when the CyanogenMod team is way, way further along, has much more experience with porting Android to a vast number of devices in a high-quality, feature-complete form (Dalingrin did the highly-regarded B&N Nook Color port, for instance), and you'll still have webOS and Android on the same unit in a dual-boot configuration. Don't get me wrong and I don't mean to take away from Chomper's efforts or technical prowess as it's a pretty awesome technical feat to think of Android launching through a webOS card, but just how much of webOS is still running in the background with Android sitting on top of it sucking down its own base system resources (say nothing of an system-intensive game running within it) versus a true dual-boot situation?

    Considering the limited system resources to begin with, it'll realistically run behind CM7's efforts performance-wise unless he can fully unload the parent OS and its processes for the same reason that unless you have an amazing rig, virtualizing Windows 7 within OS/X isn't as performant as running Windows 7 straight. I'll always take performance first. (A Quadrant Standard benchmark run and system resource utilization report on both Android ports would be interesting to see, actually, to see if it validates my point.)

    CM7 will also realistically support its port in a much more comprehensive manner into the future as CM9 (Android's Ice Cream Sandwich) is already on the roadmap for the Touchpad after CM7's finished. Prior to the Touchpad, I owned a Viewsonic G-Tablet (one of the most popular and inexpensive tablets in the Android world) and CM's ongoing support of the platform has been nothing short of fantastic.

    In short: I'll always go the CyanogenMod route every time. There's a reason why they're the most highly regarded in the Android world.
    thing is a lot dont want "android" of any kind (i know i dont), all they want is "androids apps" and the card approach helps mask the disliked android side of things.

    android's actual OS brings nothing we want, the only thing we want is some of their apps, and thats about the reality of the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanadium View Post
    Considering the limited system resources to begin with, it'll realistically run behind CM7's efforts performance-wise unless he can fully unload the parent OS and its processes for the same reason that unless you have an amazing rig, virtualizing Windows 7 within OS/X isn't as performant as running Windows 7 straight. I'll always take performance first.
    But people still buy Macs and run Windows in a box. I use Linux with Windows in a box, and Windows with Linux in a box (a long story). It just works, and it certainly beats dual boot. Performance is perfectly fine, unless you want to do heavy 3D in a box. (And this comparison is flawed, because Chomper does not actually use virtualisation, just compartmentalisation.)

    Chomper is similar from a user's point of view - and if it works, I would be perfectly happy with it. It is mostly about the apps, especially the Google suite and some more specialised apps - and if I can run them, that's all I want. I don't care whether my kernel is from Android or from webOS, but I do care about apps.

    CM7 is nice, too. You lose webOS - but I think in the long term it is going down anyway. And you gain some performance, at the cost of possible hardware driver issues. It is not a clear case either way.
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    #444  
    beat me to it.. so who's taking the alpha plunge?
    latest video from dalingrin pretty funny haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by saccento View Post
    yes!!! so stoked! peace out webos don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
    enjoy your quasi-stable alpha software =P

    Anyway, I'm probably gonna give this a shot this weekend
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    yeah, I tend to stay away from alpha releases, but still its tempting
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    After thinking about it i'll probably wait until a more stable version so I don't break my awesome $99 tablet
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    #448  
    Quote Originally Posted by saccento View Post
    i literally haven't used my touchpad because of how awful webos is.. i'm an iOS guy, but android is so much better compared to webOS.
    and yet ironic that you joined a forum that is dedicated to webos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saccento View Post
    i literally haven't used my touchpad because of how awful webos is.. i'm an iOS guy, but android is so much better compared to webOS.
    fail
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    I have recently been through this cycle with the Advent Vega when the first Alpha port was released for Honeycomb. This time around I am going to wait for at least for a beta.

    With alpha you end up reflashing the device five or six times and after every time you have to reinstall and reconfigure all your android settings and apps. Someone needs to do it, but this time I am going to wait for a stable and at least semi permanent release.
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    Netflix
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    Assuming that the android market is working now (wasn't last I checked a while ago)?
    Last edited by chrisby; 10/13/2011 at 03:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanFred View Post
    I have recently been through this cycle with the Advent Vega when the first Alpha port was released for Honeycomb. This time around I am going to wait for at least for a beta.

    With alpha you end up reflashing the device five or six times and after every time you have to reinstall and reconfigure all your android settings and apps. Someone needs to do it, but this time I am going to wait for a stable and at least semi permanent release.
    Never heard of titantium back-up? I've never started from scratch with Android roms.
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    For what I paid for it, I only consider the touchpad a toy so I'll take a crack - back in a bit....
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    I was thinking about trying it just to play with, not because of any real interest. However, I don't see any way to un-install Cyanogenmod after I'm done with it.

    I mean, I realize you could probably memboot the default kernel, but there doesn't seem to be any permanent way to undo all the changes the installer makes?

    Edit: Without wiping the device entirely, I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    I was thinking about trying it just to play with, not because of any real interest. However, I don't see any way to un-install Cyanogenmod after I'm done with it.

    I mean, I realize you could probably memboot the default kernel, but there doesn't seem to be any permanent way to undo all the changes the installer makes?
    WebOS Doctor, naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Never heard of titantium back-up? I've never started from scratch with Android roms.
    Yes, I lived and breathed Titanium back Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenrirWolf View Post
    WebOS Doctor, naturally.
    Well obviously there's that, but it's not worth playing with (to me at least) if I'm going to have to doctor and then have to reinstall all 12GB of apps.
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    Interesting news, no question about that. Having 2 TouchPads to play around with, and my gf having an Android phone, there's a possibility we could go down this road but most likely not on an alpha release. Also more keen on a dual-boot solution than a complete replacement, and would be nice to make sure the process is reversible as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    Well obviously there's that, but it's not worth playing with (to me at least) if I'm going to have to doctor and then have to reinstall all 12GB of apps.
    I have three apps, it's not such a big deal for me.

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