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Old 09/17/2009, 08:47 PM   #2470 (permalink)
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Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

Lack of health insurance now more lethal

...snip...It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.
If a lack of health insurance caused death we'd then have to assume that anyone who didnt have health insurance would die almost immediately or at least in short order. Using that logic our 47 million uninsured would already be dead and we would not need to be having this discussion.

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...snip... The uninsured are more likely to go without needed care.
Sounds to me like those who can't pay go without care. Doesn't that sound like those who provide care are refusing to do so without payment? Who is the evil for profit capitalist now?

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Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, study co-author, professor of medicine at Harvard and a primary care physician in Cambridge, Mass., noted: "Historically, every other developed nation has achieved universal health care through some form of nonprofit national health insurance. Our failure to do so means that all Americans pay higher health care costs, and 45,000 pay with their lives."

She added: "Even the most liberal version of the House bill would have left 17 million uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The whittled down Senate bill will be worse - leaving tens of millions uninsured, and tens of thousands dying because of lack of care. Without the administrative savings only attainable through a Medicare-for-all, single-payer reform - real universal coverage will remain unaffordable. Politicians are protecting insurance industry profits by sacrificing American lives."
Steffie, as my math teacher used to say, Show Your Work. saying Medicare for all is the only financially viable answer is an opinion without some math to back it up. This is nothing more than an opinion worded to stir emotions. Mainly fear that one doesnt have insurance will cause one to die. Perfect if youre trying to get people to ask someone (government) to save them.
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...snip..."The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance. Even this grim figure is an underestimate - now one dies every 12 minutes."...snip...
Again, lack of insurance doesnt kill people or we wouldnt be here. It may contribute to their situation but it is not the cause of death. As I have mentioned before, I'll need to see just one verifiable death certificate showing "lack of insurance" as the COD to change my mind. I won't be holding my breath.
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